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PostPosted: 01/ 14/ 02 2:53 pm    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

Took over an hour to skim, reading only the interesting parts. Figured I would share it as it is somewhat a critical analysis of today's events looking through a 500 year scope:

http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2002/2901zbig_sept11.html
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PostPosted: 01/ 14/ 02 5:57 pm    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

It's an interesting work. Obviously, La Rouche sees himself as a sort of philosopher of Rooseveltianism. His methodology parallels that of Ayn Rand in some ways, and the Marxian influence is definitely there. That's something you have to keep in mind when seeing his free use of "fascist" and of his description of Israel's current foreign policy as "self-annihilating." The former seems to mean cultural authoritarianism, while the latter clearly means a policy that, he believes, will be futile.

As far as his division of American political trends between "all-Americanism" and "British Oligarchism," which he seems to link to the "A-B-C conspiracy" [American rulers; Britons; Canadians], it could be considered a useful model. Interesting to see that he didn't fall into the conventional right-wing trap of blaming "Satanic [or 'Jewish'] Communism" for all that has gone wrong.

Reading him is really like reading an outlaw Paul Samuelson.

The trouble with La Rouche's lines of thought, though, is that people who use conspiracy reasoning, combined with a ruling-class analysis, are trying to explain something about which they are, at bottom, ignorant of.

That's why the sanest form of this, found in good-government rhetorics, has as its focus the "back room secret manipulators." Obviously, the plotting of political bosses would not leave much objective evidence of their designs!

But the trouble with this kind of thought is its overreliance on drama as an emotional hook. You can't take anything like that too seriously without a double check of their facts and/or reasoning.

This very much includes the use of the reductio ad absurdum technique.
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PostPosted: 01/ 14/ 02 11:46 pm    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

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As far as his division of American political trends between "all-Americanism" and "British Oligarchism," which he seems to link to the "A-B-C conspiracy" [American rulers; Britons; Canadians], it could be considered a useful model. Interesting to see that he didn't fall into the conventional right-wing trap of blaming "Satanic [or 'Jewish'] Communism" for all that has gone wrong.


Yes, regardless the bankers or their ethnic origin, etc. etc., it is still our leaders, in the end, that choose to heap this debtload upon our weary over-taxed shoulders.

Myself, I failed to agree with his conclusions, but did enjoy the lesson in history, nevermind the revisionism.

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PostPosted: 01/ 15/ 02 1:37 am    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

True; it is interesting. I've heard worse from others.
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PostPosted: 01/ 21/ 02 9:08 pm    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

Unorganized collusive oligopoly.

Those are the words I've been looking for. Heard that used on a talk show as pertaining to banks, and credit card rates.

I was working in Berlin, Germany during the mid 90's. One of the bigger stories in the local newspapers was about the 'Concrete Cartel'. Same o' same, price fixing, conspiracy, etc, etc. Except the EU did end up finding several outfits guilty of collusion, and fined them hundreds of millions of marks. Seeing as how it was the highest court, no appeal was possible, and concrete dropped like a rock in price.

These guys seem to be on the same witch-hunt, I believe the stakes are a wee tad higher:

http://www.gata.org/history.html

Something to think about.
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PostPosted: 01/ 22/ 02 2:47 am    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

Good ol' Lyndon LaRouche!

Hasn't looked back since he got out of jail!

http://larouchein2004.net/

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/otherradicalism/08.html

http://www.freepress.org/Backup/UnixBackup/pubhtml/manning/racism-2.html


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PostPosted: 01/ 22/ 02 3:10 am    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

Yeah, nutbars always make for an interesting read.
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PostPosted: 01/ 22/ 02 2:48 pm    Post subject: Some bit of reading. Reply with quote

Especially if you youself have been ground down. Then the nutbars begin looking like brave men.

The same thing applies on the other side of the divide, too: a left-winger which we would consider an ipso facto nutcase is often lionized as a hero by the Left. The earliest one to be glamorized this way was Charles Fourier.
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