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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 7:24 am Post subject: Levant: A Jewish conspiracy |
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Levant: A Jewish conspiracy
By Ezra Levant on June 16, 2008
I think that most conspiracy theories are merely attempts by people to seem more clever than they are -- or certainly more clever than everybody else. They're also a handy way to blame cosmic forces for one's own problems or misfortunes.
Jews have long been at the center of many conspiracy theories.
Including the conspiracy theory that Jews want to censor the speech of their critics.
Unfortunately, on that last one, the Official Jews seem eager to everything possible to make that conspiracy theory seem real.
The Canadian Human Rights Commission's "hate squad" has plenty of Jews, from Harvey Goldberg, to Ian Fine. Irwin Cotler, also Jewish, was a Justice Minister who eagerly prosecuted many hate speech cases. And, of course, many of the section 13 hate speech cases are packed with Jewish interveners -- the Canadian Jewish Congress, B'nai Brith and the Simon Wiesenthal Center. That's a lot of Jews. And even Athanasios Hadjis, the Greek tribunal chair, was in a formal political coalition with the CJC before his appointment.
In other words, as I said at lunch today, Canada's Official Jews seem to be trying their best to prove the conspiracy theory true.
This censorship cabal has certainly persecuted its political enemies, not just in the HRCs, but also under the Criminal Code provisions -- like Jim Keegstra, or David Ahenakew. As I said today, the Jews turned these nobodies into stars.
Men like Ken McVay of Nizkor are perfect antidotes to these conspiracy theories -- in his case, a Gentile volunteer who painstakingly rebuts anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial.
Men like the SWC's Leo Adler feed these conspiracy theories -- in his case, reflexively piling on to any political enemy of the Jews who is caught in some hate speech web.
I'm embarrassed that so many People of the Book are involved in high tech book-burnings. But I'm angry that they're doing so in my name, as a fellow Jew.
It's just a handful of Official Jews; most normal Jews I know are hostile to censorship. But when you call yourself the "Canadian Jewish Congress", you fool a lot of people -- just like something calling itself a "human rights commission" fools a lot of people, too.
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 7:25 am Post subject: |
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"I don't debate liars"
By Ezra Levant on June 16, 2008
NOTE: I've got to run to a meeting now, but I thought I'd put up a quick post about my speech today. I'll come back to edit and improve this later. But for now, here are my first thoughts:
I enjoyed my speech to the Canadian Jewish Civil Rights Association. So did many of the attendees, including other bloggers, commenters and donors to my legal defence. They obviously were supportive to begin with There were also a few undecideds; at the very least I gave them some new ideas to think about. And then there were a few hard-core censorship types there. Or at least one -- Leo Adler of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
I talked about the few Jewish experiments in censorship, and how each of them ended badly -- Caiaphas the High Priest censoring Jesus; Jewish participation in building Soviet Communism that then devoured them; and then Jewish use of Weimar Germany's censorship laws that were later deployed with gusto by Adolf Hitler.
Other than those examples, I really couldn't think of any Jewish censorship, because Jews, historically, have been victims of censorship, not perpetrators of it -- only natural, given that Jews have been a perpetual minority for two millennia.
I talked about section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, and how it is impossible to defend against. I talked about its bizarre "pre-crime" nature; about its attempt to regulate emotions like "hatred and contempt". I talked about how the Canadian Human Rights Commission itself propagates hate on the Internet, going online in drag as neo-Nazis, spewing bigoted venom.
It was a good, old-fashioned rant. And then came the questions.
There were some good ones; Michael Teper asked what would happen if human rights complaints were filed against Jewish rabbis who taught a Torah that called for homosexuality to be punished with stoning. It was a good question -- because that's pretty much what got Alberta's Rev. Stephen Boissoin a lifetime speech ban on the subject, courtesy of Alberta's HRC. And then there were some other good points, too.
I had just finished answering a question by referring to a recent meeting of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and how that group's supporters are not in favour of censorship, when Leo Adler himself, the boss of Canada's SWC, came to the microphone.
Not surprisingly, Adler didn't really have a question. That's fine; but it just wasn't the right forum for a debate. I had just given a 45-minute rip-snortin' assault on human rights commissions, and telling Jews not to use Nazi-like tactics of book-burnings against our enemies, but to take the approach recommended by most of Canada's gay lobby, namely to oppose censorship, even of offensive anti-gay comments. You just can't rebut that in a 30-second comment.
Adler went on for a few minutes, and I interjected a bit here and there. I think that some in the crowd were sympathetic to him, merely because I had used his organization as an example of what not to do for much of my speech. But taking over the Q & A session just wasn't the right forum.
I told him I'd debate him in a proper debate anytime, anywhere -- and I meant it.
Adler disputed that the censorship campaign of the HRCs was a product of what I call "Official Jews". He didn't like it much when I listed all of the Jewish lawyers in the room at the Warman v. Lemire hearing, and pointed out that non-Jewish interveners like the Canadian Constitution Foundation were refused standing (as was the Civil Liberties Association), both of whom happen to be against censorship.
Adler pointed out that the tribunal chair, Athanasios Hadjis is not Jewish. True enough, I pointed out -- but I noted that Hadjis had entered into a "coalition" with the Canadian Jewish Congress in his political life before he became an HRC "judge". That little skirmish really went nowhere.
But then Adler made my point for me, writ large: he noted that when the SWC started fighting against Internet hate, there was just one anti-Semitic website, and that now there are 8,000 of them. I think Adler was trying to prove just how big of a problem that is (though, in a world with a billion web pages, I'm not particularly alarmed). But I pointed out it did the opposite: if, despite destroying our fundamental freedom of speech, and building a jurisprudence of censorship that anti-Semites like Mohamed Elmasry are now using against Jews, Adler and company haven't been able to stop the proliferation of anti-Semitism on the Internet, wasn't that proof of his own failure?
I called Adler and his fellow "Official Jews" the super-agents who turned nobodies like Jim Keegstra and David Ahenakew and Ernst Zundel into international superstars. I pointed out that Weimar Germany's anti-hate laws didn't work either -- other than to give Hitler a head start when he took over. I just thought that summed it up perfectly: a man who claims Internet hate has increased 8,000-fold on his watch, but keep swearing by his high-tech book burning.
Adler sat down after a while, and I told him I'd love to debate him. I didn't have a chance to speak to him directly. But Wendy told me that she overheard Adler talking with a colleague, saying he'd never agree to debate me. "I don't debate liars," was what she reported he said.
I'm not lying, actually. Everything I said in the debate was accurate -- from the Official Jewish involvement in the censorship business, to the CHRC's own role in disseminating hatred online, to the RCMP and Privacy Commissioner's investigations of their hacking, etc., etc. I've probably read 5,000 pages of human rights information in the past six month, from rulings to affidavits to news stories. I think I'm better-briefed than Adler himself, who presumably does other things for the SWC besides work their censorship file.
Like Ian Fine, the hapless senior counsel of the CHRC who debated me a few weeks ago in Edmonton, I think Adler genuinely doesn't know just how rotten the CHRC and the whole "anti-hate" industry has become. Fine was clearly caught off guard in his debate against me, challenging me to "prove" one allegation after another, which I proceeded to do using his own CHRC documents. I think Adler would be even more poorly briefed.
But let's say I was lying. Why wouldn't Adler want to debate me? He obviously is concerned enough about me and my campaign to end his censorship to attend my speech. It must have been painful for him -- paying $20 for the pleasure of listening to me demolish the CHRC. Every time I cracked a joke that got a laugh, every time I made a point that got a collective "ah" or "hmm" must have irked him. But he sat through that punishment for the chance to try to challenge me.
He failed. The forum was wrong. But why wouldn't he like the proper forum? This very day the Toronto Star came out with a lead editorial calling for the abolition of the section 13 hate speech section. Clearly many people across the political spectrum are persuaded by the ideas expressed by me and others. Surely if we're all acting on lies, Adler has a duty to show the world the truth.
But he won't debate a liar.
And that's his problem.
I'm not a liar. But Holocaust deniers are. Many anti-Semites are, especially with their blood libels and other smears against Jews. Being a Jew -- or at least being a Jewish leader like Adler -- means debating liars all the time. It means taking the effort to show people the truth.
But Adler is above that -- whether it's a neo-Nazi, or little old me.
That's his problem. And, unlike the neo-Nazis he's censored in the past, I'm not going to shut up for him.
Ken McVay, the Gentile founder and operator of the wonderful Nizkor website, debates all Holocaust deniers he finds. He seeks them out -- and rebuts them with documents, facts, arguments and just plain hard work. That's less glamourous than getting the government to order your opponents silenced, but it works.
I don't know if Adler thinks he's above debating liars, or if he's too lazy, or if he's just not that good a debater, and he knows it.
http://ezralevant.com/2008/06/i-dont-debate-liars.html _________________ Freedom really does not evolve, it revolts.
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Ezra Levant would be just plain nasty to debate. The potential for being slaughtered is just too high for Leo Adler, apparently.
Funny how that works. People who cannot win in debate are the first to resort to censorship ..... censorship is the refuge of a political scoundrel. |
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 9:49 am Post subject: |
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The reason Leo Adler won’t debate “liars” is because Leo Adler is totally clueless. Just like Ian Fine, he is very poorly briefed on CHRC facts, and has no first hand knowledge if it’s perfidy. Leo Adler won’t debate "liars" because he has no real idea what the truth really is. To Leo Adler, your contentions sound just like lies precisely because they are outrages and undemocratic. Of course he doesn’t believe you; who would?
Like Ian Fine, Leo Adler is just one more “Official Jew” who doesn’t get it. Secure in his plush office, he is protected from inconvenient truths through Jewish mythology and conventional wisdom. He is clueless. You would think that the Head of the Canadian branch of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre might be more informed about the inner workings of CHRC’s but sadly, that’s not the case. Like all “Official Jews”, he’s stuck in the shtetl, talking to Tevye.
And yes, deep down, he knows he'd get slaughtered. What an effete sissy. _________________ "There are some opinions so stupid, only liberals could hold them"
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Canada is on the fast track to losing her right to free speech. Jews are not immune to having misguided, apologists amongst their ranks. If Ian Fine and Leo Adler are so concerned with hate speech, they need look no further than the most vicious anti-semitic fascists in the world today..... Radical Islam. |
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Kishka wrote: | | Canada is on the fast track to losing her right to free speech. Jews are not immune to having misguided, apologists amongst their ranks. If Ian Fine and Leo Adler are so concerned with hate speech, they need look no further than the most vicious anti-semitic fascists in the world today..... Radical Islam. |
Trust me, I know well these "Official Jews". They are uber-liberals, and like most liberals, they have forgotten nothing, and learned even less. They consider "Islamophobia" a neo-con trait, and dismiss it. _________________ "There are some opinions so stupid, only liberals could hold them"
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| EdS wrote: | | Kishka wrote: | | Canada is on the fast track to losing her right to free speech. Jews are not immune to having misguided, apologists amongst their ranks. If Ian Fine and Leo Adler are so concerned with hate speech, they need look no further than the most vicious anti-semitic fascists in the world today..... Radical Islam. |
Trust me, I know well these "Official Jews". They are uber-liberals, and like most liberals, they have forgotten nothing, and learned even less. They consider "Islamophobia" a neo-con trait, and dismiss it. |
Would it be alright to compare these Jews to those in Germany that voted for Hitler knowing full well of his antisemitism but not understanding how that would one day translate into a mass slaughter of their own kind?
Liberal Jews are probably going to vote Obama who hates Whites but hates Jewish people even more. |
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Concan, do you have stats on how many German Jews voted for Hitler? Jews knew from 1933 that Hitler was bad news. Those American Jews who vote for Obama have most likely been long-time Democrats and are not easily disuaded. They are naive and foolish. Hopefully, they will wake from their slumber pretty damn quick. |
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Kishka wrote: | | Concan, do you have stats on how many German Jews voted for Hitler? Jews knew from 1933 that Hitler was bad news. Those American Jews who vote for Obama have most likely been long-time Democrats and are not easily disuaded. They are naive and foolish. Hopefully, they will wake from their slumber pretty damn quick. |
There are significant differences between U.S. and Canadian Jews. Unfortunately, the progenitors of North American Jewish political conciousness is the same: Socialism.
The older generation of Canadian Jews grew up believing in "The State As Protector of Freedoms". They mostly got this from their socialist-leaning ancestors who came from the European Pale of Settlement. They never trusted their right-wing overlords in Europe, and they brought their biases with them.
In the U.S., it was slightly different. Most Jews there were descendants of yekke German Jews, mostly left-leaning bourgeois. They brought their liberalism, and their cosmopolitanism with them. They too believed in "The State As Protector of Freedoms".
There are other elements at play here, not the least of which is the tendency of Jews to hop aboard trends and fashion. Jews love to be trendy, and conservatism just ain't trendy. (Except among us contrarians ) _________________ "There are some opinions so stupid, only liberals could hold them"
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| This is true, but we do not live in the Pale in North America. The yekke influences have long since dissipated and our post-WWII generation of baby boomers had better wise up to the reality of the world we live in. Liberals were naively believed to be the true "friend of the Jews". We now know the opposite is true...just look at the Canadian liberal record of Israel-bashing at the UN. How any Jew, or white person for that matter, can succumb to the perfidious Obama is beyond my comprehension. |
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Kishka wrote: | | Concan, do you have stats on how many German Jews voted for Hitler? Jews knew from 1933 that Hitler was bad news. Those American Jews who vote for Obama have most likely been long-time Democrats and are not easily disuaded. They are naive and foolish. Hopefully, they will wake from their slumber pretty damn quick. |
I don't think there are any official stats. Google "Verband Nationaldeutsche Juden" and you get some idea of the movement.
According to this article in German's "Stern" publication (similar to McLean's) about 150.000 Jewish men were part of Germany's army and fought alongside the Nazis hoping their service would protect or save the family.
http://www.stern.de/politik/historie/514034.html?eid=535451&s=3&nv=ex_rt |
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| Kishka wrote: | | This is true, but we do not live in the Pale in North America. The yekke influences have long since dissipated and our post-WWII generation of baby boomers had better wise up to the reality of the world we live in. Liberals were naively believed to be the true "friend of the Jews". We now know the opposite is true...just look at the Canadian liberal record of Israel-bashing at the UN. How any Jew, or white person for that matter, can succumb to the perfidious Obama is beyond my comprehension. |
The Left's hatred for Jews which they see as analog to Zionism is well documented.
However in the circles of the liberal jewish New Yorker for example, none of these facts matter much. The liberal Jew is no longer affiliated with Israel or with the sense that there should be a Jewish state.
Aside from the religious background, the fact of the matter is that the sophisticated Americans in general seem to be all to eager to experiment with their nation in the name of liberalism. Common sense is out of the window.
Progroms against Jewish people happened throughout history. Why do you think would this change? A good friend and Jew told me once and I quote "Nobody likes the Jews. America is the only nation that ensured some freedoms and stability for Jewish lives."
That could very well change in the Obamanation. |
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Posted: 06/ 17/ 08 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| concan wrote: | Progroms against Jewish people happened throughout history. Why do you think would this change? A good friend and Jew told me once and I quote "Nobody likes the Jews. America is the only nation that ensured some freedoms and stability for Jewish lives."
That could very well change in the Obamanation. |
This begs the question: If (G-d forbid) pogroms come to the U.S., who would be more likely to betray Jews - gentile liberals, or Christian conservatives? I think I already know, but I am interested in other's opinions. _________________ "There are some opinions so stupid, only liberals could hold them"
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| EdS wrote: | | concan wrote: | Progroms against Jewish people happened throughout history. Why do you think would this change? A good friend and Jew told me once and I quote "Nobody likes the Jews. America is the only nation that ensured some freedoms and stability for Jewish lives."
That could very well change in the Obamanation. |
This begs the question: If (G-d forbid) pogroms come to the U.S., who would be more likely to betray Jews - gentile liberals, or Christian conservatives? I think I already know, but I am interested in other's opinions. |
Gentile liberals are first and foremost anti Christian and as such would probably galvanize Christians and Jews against them.
Christians already have been the victims of ridicule and persecution by gentile liberals.
Liberalism has metastasized to its current state because of the state's approval to discriminate against Christians and Christianity.
Many Christians are (knowingly or not) also Zionists and have therefore a strong empathy and relationship to Jewish people and the Jewish state.
Gentile liberals and Muslims would pose the biggest threat to Jews and Christians alike in the US and Canada. |
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Conservative Christians tend to take the word of God seriously and would not have any part with pogroms against anyone. Liberals even those who call themselves christian tend to be more interested in applying their political views to how they interpret the bible. You know what is best for the state.
If we consider how liberals view Israel we get a very clear picture on how they really feel about any free and strong people. _________________ .
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