FOR OR AGAINST QUÉBEC TO SEPARATE?

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FOR OR AGAINST QUÉBEC TO SEPARATE?

Postby Otto Kretzmer » 09/ 24/ 05 8:44 pm

I posted the French version of the following post and someone asked the English counterpart. This is the first post. The one about Pierre Bourgault is not yet translated but I am working on it. And as the man said: It will be quite a scene to see...


TEARING CANADA APART

In the sequence of articles that follows, it is also important to realize that the concept or word 'Communism' is used as a mask for the new world order, beginning with the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 and continuing unabatedly until now.

The energies and ideals of the workers are used by the backers of such revolutions - the Big Bankers - to tear down what has been methodically built up by the generations before us. At the end of all the blood and destruction, the power of the Bankers has been expanded and consolidated while the workers find themselves in a far worse position than when they began: they face the prospect of nothing less than slavery.

TO SEPARATE QUÉBEC FROM CANADA? NO! TO SEPARATE THE WHOLE OF CANADA FROM HIGH FINANCE? YES!

The idea of separatism in Québec is part of a Communist plan to take over Québec and Canada. Once it is installed in Québec, Communism could take over the rest of Canada. Separatism is a Marxist-Communist strategy to take over a country. There are several examples of this: the separations in Vietnam, Algeria, Nigeria (Biafra), Korea, Pakistan (Bangladesh), etc.


THE PLAN FOR QUÉBEC

The Toronto-based Canadian Council of Protestant Churches published, in 1969 a small booklet entitled: Quebec's Impending Fate - Communist State? We quote here a few paragraphs of this booklet. It is important to re-read these excerpts in 2005:

The most militant area for Communist activities in Canada is the province of Québec. The first objective adopted at the Congress of the Communist Party of Québec, held in Montreal in 1967, was the establishment in Québec, in Canada and in the entire world, of a socialist society, and eventually of a Communist society.

Noting that their objectives agree with the efforts of the other Communist revolutionary groups around the world, the participants at this Congress proclaimed: This is a foundation of proletarian internationalism, a science that the Communist Party of Québec proudly adopts, and this will guide us in our battle.

Québec's Communist Manifesto, dated December 1967, is a call to the militants for the establishment of a socialist State - through an armed revolution, if necessary - to eventually arrive at a Communist dictatorship.

The Communist Party of Québec declares in its Manifesto: The Communist Party of Québec is the Marxist-Leninist party of the working class.

This declaration has a great meaning. It identifies the Communist Party of Québec with a tentacle of the World Communist Party, which is guilty of most atrocious crimes and massacres against the peoples it subjected to slavery. It represents the slaughter of more than one hundred million people whose sole crime was to express their confidence in our democratic way of life, or who had doubts about the right of a handful to impose their absolute will upon the great majority.

Québec's Communist Manifesto revealed a plan for political and social action. This plan includes a new federal constitution and a new constitution for Québec, the right to self-determination for Québec, and the privilege to secede from Canada if necessary.

To separate Québec from the rest of Canada is therefore a plan of the Communist Party of Québec, a plan that is quoted in its Manifesto, a Communist plan for the conquest of Québec, of Canada and of the entire world. Do not think that Communism is dead and buried, even if many countries have succeeded in freeing themselves from this infernal bondage. Communism strives to trigger revolutions in different countries to weaken peoples and eventually to arrive at a Communist world government. The Parti Québecois fits perfectly in the plan of the Communist Party of Québec.


FALSE PATRIOTISM

The separatists claim to be the ardent defenders of the French language and culture, of Québec's identity. However, they dissociate Québec's culture from the Christian Faith passed on by our forefathers. They don't give a damn about saving Christianity in Québec; on the contrary, to annihilate it forever seems to be their objective. These ardent independentists preach patriotism in every possible way, and yet they themselves are dedicated to a Communist plan, knowingly or not. In the name of a false patriotism, they lead the Québec people to separation, which would bring about a bloody revolution, a civil war. Separatism flows from a socialist and Marxist ideology. Those who fight for Québec's separation are not patriots, but veiled Conununists.


MARXIST CONSTITUTIONS

The Canadian news media have been talking about the preparation of a new federal constitution, and a new constitution for Québec, Québec's 'right to self-determination', a kind of sovereignty. These changes strangely correspond with Québec's 1967 Communist Manifesto. Would the Ottawa Government itself contribute to separating Québec from Canada? Would it be part of the plot to bring about a civil war? Do they want to establish in Québec and Canada atheistic and Marxist constitutions to lead us to a tyrannical world government?

Canada and all the provinces are the slaves of High Finance. This is the real problem. All our governments are rendered impotent by public debts. When will they break their chains of slavery to the banking dictatorship and when will they stop bowing down to the controllers of money in order to borrow figures? What must be added to the federal and provincial constitutions is to free, to separate, Canada and all the provinces from High Finance, our common enemy. The law that allows private banks to create money must be repealed.


SEPARATE CANADA FROM A BANKING DICTATORSHIP

The Bank of Canada actually does not carry out the function for which it has been created; it is rather at the service of the International Monetary Fund. Since the Bank of Canada is stubbornly tied to the International Monetary Fund, the Federal Government must disqualify it and untie, separate Canada from the banking dictatorship.

A National Commission of Credit must be put at the service of the Canadians! We want a national currency created by this Commission to finance - without debts, without interest, without taxes - our country's productive capacity and the needs of the consumers. Public debts must be written off immediately, including the interest charges on these debts. The federal and provincial income taxes must disappear! A monthly social dividend, based on the abundance of goods and progress in Canada, must be distributed to each and every Canadian! Our country, which has been built by our ancestors and the present generation, is the property of all Canadians, and not only of the Bankers.

The whole of Canada must free itself from High Finance! We want economic independence, in a strong and united Canada. With a national currency created by a social organism, the provinces will continue to exchange goods and live in harmony. And then the Financiers will have no means to sow discord between the provinces.

The Quebecers do not want the separation of Québec from the rest of Canada. The French-Canadians are the co-founders of Canada. Why should their descendants separate from Canada? Will they give up this rich heritage passed on by their ancestors? Canada belongs to all the Canadians, and the Quebecers are Canadians. We want a united and prosperous Canada, freed from High Finance.
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Postby EdS » 09/ 24/ 05 8:50 pm

Hmmmm.... this stuff is very "Créditiste". Oh well, still very interesting. <br>
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Postby rbacon » 09/ 24/ 05 9:23 pm

I am 100% for total Quebec Independence from Canada. In the next Quebec Referendum coming up soon I will support their cause, politically and financially as I can. Vive Quebec Libre.
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JACQUES PARIZEAU: ONE-WORLDER

Postby Otto Kretzmer » 09/ 24/ 05 9:49 pm

JACQUES PARIZEAU: ONE-WORLDER

If Canada issued its own money without debt, according to the needs of our country, there would be no need to borrow this money from private banks, nor to go abroad and beg for the money from foreign investors, and fear that, by lowering Canadian interest rates, foreigners would remove all of their money from Canada and invest somewhere else. A country cannot claim to be sovereign when it does not issue its own money, debt-free and interest-free.

On this matter, the stand of Jacques Parizeau and the péquisses, the ex-leader of the separatist Parti Québecois (le piquiou), is paradoxical: they advocate an independent and 'sovereign' Québec, but which would continue to use, as currency, the Canadian dollar, issued under the sole authority of the Bank of Canada, where Québec would be in a minority in the decision-making process. In the piquiou’s 'independent' Québec, Québec will therefore continue to operate within the private bankers' debt-money system. Where is sovereignty in all this? Parizeau said that we are heading for a world government anyway, with a single one-world currency! In a speech he delivered on 27 April 1990 at Washington's John Hopkins University, Parizeau admitted that 'there are no major technical problems that would prevent Québec from having its own currency,' but 'it is preferable not to change anything in the monetary field, in order to reassure business circles.' (In other words, in order not to offend the big shots of the present financial system!)

The province of Québec, if the piquiou is reelected, will soon - again and again - be called upon to decide about its constitutional future with the rest of Canada. What do Quebecers want above all? The same thing as all the people of the other Canadian provinces: economic security! This would be possible with the implementation of a Social Credit financial system, which would ensure each citizen a dividend based on the twofold heritage of progress and natural resources. In order to set up such a system, however, one must separate from High Finance: this is the kind of separation that Québec - as well as all the other Canadian provinces - would need, and nothing else.

The province of Québec has absolutely nothing to win by seceding from Canada; on the contrary, it has everything to lose. The so-called 'sovereignists' of the Parti Québecois mislead the people by trying to make them believe that all the problems will be miraculously solved once Québec is separated from the rest of Canada. Nothing will be actually solved, since the financial system will not be touched.

Moreover, Québec separatists fool themselves when they think that the rest of Canada will accept this separation of Québec as something inevitable or having being written in the heavens. Why would Canadians meekly let a bunch of separatists destroy their country? What would Québec separatists say if the English community of Montreal and of the Eastern Townships, the native people on reserves, or even French-speaking people of different regions of Québec, like the Saguenay or the Beauce areas, decided to secede from Québec and form their own country, or simply remain with Canada?

Be careful! Don't hit the wrong target: the common enemy of the English Canadians and of the French Canadians - as well as of every nation - is High Finance. Let us join forces together - the English, the French, and people of all races - to install a financial system that will truly serve ordinary Canadian citizens, a Social Credit system.
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Postby Dave77 » 11/ 25/ 05 2:35 pm

It's time. Let's stop delaying the inevitable and let Quebec declare their independance. I'm convinced Canada/Quebec relations would be much improved as a result.
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Postby freedominoes » 11/ 25/ 05 4:57 pm

Dave77 wrote:It's time. Let's stop delaying the inevitable and let Quebec declare their independance. I'm convinced Canada/Quebec relations would be much improved as a result.


I don't think Quebec independance is inevitable. From a demographical point of view, the next referendum or even the last one might have been or be the sepratist high water mark.
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Postby littleharbour » 11/ 25/ 05 5:30 pm

Dave77 wrote:It's time. Let's stop delaying the inevitable and let Quebec declare their independance. I'm convinced Canada/Quebec relations would be much improved as a result.


And you may just be right Dave77. Here is one precedent:

Slovak foreign minister talks glowingly about the state of Czech-Slovak relations

[13-10-2004] By Martin Mikule

Listen 16kb/s ~ 32kb/s The Slovak Foreign Minister Eduard Kukan on a visit of the Czech Republic on Tuesday met several officials, among others Prime Minister Stanislav Gross, Prague Mayor Pavel Bem and Czech Foreign Minister Cyril Svoboda. Since July 2003 when the two ministers last met, they've had quite a few issues to talk about. Both countries have joined the European Union, but there are also other important cooperation issues. During Tuesday's meeting, the two foreign ministers signed a document enabling better cooperation in emergency situations, such as a terrorist attack or some natural disaster. Radio Prague's Martin Mikule talked to Minister Kukan about the main targets of his current visit.

Slovak foreign minister, photo: CTK"The main purpose of my visit is to cultivate the excellent relations existing between our two countries. We are really happy we enjoy the best relations one can ever imagine. but we think that it's necessary to develop them to cultivate them....So the purpose of my visit is to sit down with my colleague - minister of foreign affairs, with the representatives of the Parliament, the prime minister and all other relevant dignitaries of the Czech Republic in order to further deepen the mutual cooperation."
You have just signed a document with Minister Svoboda. Can you say - what is it regarding?

"This document is regulating the mutual cooperation in the emergency situations when the when the citizens of both countries can fall into different difficult situations so that both governments will cooperate in order to provide the necessary assistance and necessary help."
Eduard Kukan and Cyril Svoboda, photo: CTKHas there been any development in the mutual relations after both the countries joined the European Union? For example in terms of traffic on borders or something like that?

"We continue smoothly our mutual cooperation after we became members of the European Union. There are many important issues which are being discussed now by the Union where the interest of both Slovak Republic and Czech Republic coincides, and we agreed how we are going to proceed in order to strengthen our negotiating position within the EU. Concerning the direct contact between our two countries we are looking forward - and I was glad that the Czech side has the same attitude - toward the issue of becoming members of the 'Schengen Space' as soon as possible, so that the internal border between Slovakia and the Czech Republic will allow very smooth contact and crossing of the border between the population both countries."


I've said it before: Quebec will make a much better neighbour than sibling.
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Postby DeportAllLiberals » 12/ 20/ 05 2:47 pm

Against Seperation.

Quebec is part of Canada. It is special, I'll give them that - but I am against them seperating. I support military action should the seperatists ever attempt to declare independence.
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Postby digging.holes » 12/ 20/ 05 2:53 pm

I am dead-set against seperation. This is my country, and I want to keep it, thank you. All seperatists, wherever they may be, are my enemies.
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The Bloc running outside of Quebec

Postby Robbert » 12/ 20/ 05 2:54 pm

Good thing the BQ does not run candidates outside of Quebec. After Trudeau, Mulroney, le Cretin and Martin, they'd have a very good shot at a majority on a platform of "No More PMs from Quebec" .
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Postby LordOfSteam » 12/ 20/ 05 2:57 pm

Communism? People still believe in that utopian rubbish? Has no one learned anything?
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Postby Jean » 12/ 20/ 05 3:03 pm

digging.holes wrote:I am dead-set against seperation. This is my country, and I want to keep it, thank you. All seperatists, wherever they may be, are my enemies.


What he said. :)
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Postby freedominoes » 12/ 20/ 05 5:08 pm

DeportAllLiberals wrote:Against Seperation.

Quebec is part of Canada. It is special, I'll give them that - but I am against them seperating. I support military action should the seperatists ever attempt to declare independence.


If you call yourself "deport all liberals" why wouldn't you want all those liebranos and bolshevik quebecois supporters to "deport" themselves out of canada?
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Postby freedominoes » 12/ 20/ 05 5:19 pm

Jean wrote:
digging.holes wrote:I am dead-set against seperation. This is my country, and I want to keep it, thank you. All seperatists, wherever they may be, are my enemies.


What he said. :)


Some of us are tired of being outvoted by the myriad of liberal fools every election and the only way that is going to stop is if Alberta separates and then carefully screens who they let immigrate into their country. If you really want to live in a conservative country, this is the only way it's going to happen so grow up and drop your childish love of canada. canada has been corrupted by TURDeau and people like him. It would be best for Alberta to separate sooner than later before the cancer of eastern canada spreads to Alberta. To say you love canada is like saying you love the liebrano party.
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Postby Ipberg2 » 12/ 20/ 05 5:25 pm

Quebec independence is a non sequitor: Quebec would never really be economically independent from TROC but insist on special treatment via sovereignty-association.

Alberta independence on the other hand would be a sharp break from TROC and Ontario would be left as the sole province supporting TROC.
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