Should California secede from the U.S.?

[Monorprise]

All this time I thought California was on a leave of absence from the USA.

It would almost seem that way, as US state system gives states so many powers, that California as such a big state has chosen to uses in different ways then most of the rest of the United States. Such as special gas refinery standards, fixing electrical power prices, special automobile pollution standards, controls on the importation of fruit, ect... all of which probably cost California a Bundle, but you know what, I DON’T CARE! I anti paying for it!

And their not going to shove it down my throat, not if my senator and a most if not most all of the other state’s senators have anything to say about it!
Ya you would think they were a different country. but you know on the other hand one could argue that in some ways California is probably the most American of all the states. as they are so much a combination of all of us! Just the conservatives in California have the misfortunate of having a slight liberal popular majority. In their biggest cities of LA(not as much), and San Francisco(Big Time).
You see this is what happens you allow a popular vote for president, instead of an electoral cottage. Liberals can take over all the big cities, and run the whole state!

[J.B. Stone]

" As for Canadians seeing this as reason to believe the US has them same internal unity problems Canada does, consisted this California has 35 million people, that’s bigger than all of Canada which is about 32 million, and California has a much better economy 1.367 trillion to Canada’s just $925.31 billion has a much better economy! That’s $39,079 USD per person to Canada’s, $29,254 USD.
California thanks to the Union with the United States is doing quit well! now lets compare this with my state the Great State of New Mexico! $29,730 USD per capita, one of the poorest states in the union! yet that’s still better than Canada’s National Average?
And some Extreme liberal Californian is trying to make the case that California is not getting a fair share?? If there serious I think they would have a hard time convincing many other Californian that there even sane!"

This is a very GOOD example of how a REPUBLIC, with free CAPITALIST markets, CAN outperform anyone's SOCIALIST UTOPIA.....!!!

If Canada DID bankrupt itself with the help of Grey Davis and his many minions....the ALSO did find a solution via a recall election.

Try THAT in Russia.

[littleharbour]

If the US kicked California out the Republican advantage in the Senate would go from 10 seats to 12 seats, in the House from 31 seats to 44 seats and Bush's margin would have gone from 34 electoral votes to 89 electoral votes. End result: an unassailable Republican advantage at all levels of government. So the lefties better be careful what they wish for, because at some point the Republicans may just decide that it's in their best interests to give the Left-coast hippies what they are asking for. They could even coin a new phrase: "Let those western bastards sweat in the dark"

[SCARBERIA]

It should probably return to Mexico before it thinks of leaving the Union to go it alone.

[brianwalsh]

Geologists are saying that California will likely leave the US in the long-run anyways.. fall into the sea.

So what is their problem?

That is what happens to any place that swings commie, God punishes them.

[Faramir]

Ha ha ha! California went 40 billion into deficit under Gray Davis. And ole Terminator is hardly a fiscal conservative. Where would they even get the energy to run their state? This state should learn to balance a budget first.

[Gordie]

And ole Terminator is hardly a fiscal conservative. Where would they even get the energy to run their state?

Ah, quit being an economic girly-man.

[Faramir]

And ole Terminator is hardly a fiscal conservative. Where would they even get the energy to run their state?

Ah, quit being an economic girly-man.

Arnold seems to suscribe to the economics taught in American schools - the economics of wishful thinking handed down by Keynes.

[texasredtop]

Ha ha ha! California went 40 billion into deficit under Gray Davis. And ole Terminator is hardly a fiscal conservative. Where would they even get the energy to run their state? This state should learn to balance a budget first.

They get their energy from Texas - and we can decided not to sell it to them if we want.

[Gordie]

And ole Terminator is hardly a fiscal conservative. Where would they even get the energy to run their state?

Ah, quit being an economic girly-man.

Arnold seems to suscribe to the economics taught in American schools - the economics of wishful thinking handed down by Keynes.

Perhaps, but at least it is one step up from the economics of blind idealism given to us by Mises and Hayek.

[Desroko]

Seeing the vast majority of Californians voted 'red', I can't see it happening.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... states/CA/

[Faramir]

And ole Terminator is hardly a fiscal conservative. Where would they even get the energy to run their state?

Ah, quit being an economic girly-man.

Arnold seems to suscribe to the economics taught in American schools - the economics of wishful thinking handed down by Keynes.

Perhaps, but at least it is one step up from the economics of blind idealism given to us by Mises and Hayek.

You just insulted the heir of Adam Smith economics. Yes, if you like communism by another name you will like Keynes. Positive thinking does not balance budgets nor create accountability in government finances.

[Gordie]

You just insulted the heir of Adam Smith economics. Yes, if you like communism by another name you will like Keynes. Positive thinking does not balance budgets nor create accountability in government finances.

This isn't the right thread to get into this, but pretty much all modern theories are descended from Smith's classical economics. Even communism.

[Faramir]

You just insulted the heir of Adam Smith economics. Yes, if you like communism by another name you will like Keynes. Positive thinking does not balance budgets nor create accountability in government finances.

This isn't the right thread to get into this, but pretty much all modern theories are descended from Smith's classical economics. Even communism.

Oh, OK ....

[skeena484]

California receives 78% of federal money returned via federal services?

WOW ARE WE ALBERTANS GETTING SCREWED OR WHAT!


They should be careful of what they wish for though. I heard that Arnold realy wants to be president.The constitution precludes him from becoming president of the United States of America but he could be president of the Republic of fruits and nuts.