John Baglow - They Dare call it treason

[Maikeru]

The resurrection of the Baglow v. Smith & the Fourniers of FreeDominion gives cause to visit several threads posted to Dawg's Blawg and FreeDominion, by John Baglow and Roger Smith, which reflect the discourse leading to Mr. Baglow's claim that he was defamed by Mr. Smith.

The word 'treason' in 'likely' what set Baglow off when it appeared in thread comments at his blogsite.
Baglow, at his own blogsite, could delete comments and ban commentators immediately, choosing to leave Smith opinions standing at his own site, while demanding they be removed from FreeDominion.

Note that Mr. Baglow responded on the 'offending' Smith essay at FreeDominion 18 hours after it was mounted, posting there under the pseudonym 'MsMews'

They Dare call it treason
Excerpts:

Friday, August 13, 2010 12:24 PM
To be accused of treason is no laughing matter. Nor should it be the stuff of cheap polemics. But the t-word has now entered the yokel lexicon: a new riff on the old demonization game.
Consider my frequent commenter Roger Smith of Burnaby, BC, who socks here as "Peter O'Donnell," ...had the following to say:

In the moral sphere, you seek complicity ...when you sign up to support Omar Khadr. I think such public declarations of support for Al Qaeda and the Taliban amount to treason, ...the government of Canada would be quite within its legal rights to arrest the lot of you for treason.

One doesn't have to be a flag-waving patriot to take offence at this drivel. ... A mere accusation was enough.
... ...
...Being falsely accused of treason is obviously defamatory, and there are civil remedies
... ...
... Who, in short, are the real traitors among us? And what are we going to do about it?

9 days earlier

Wednesday, August 04, 2010 2:36 PM
Holocaust-denial defended
...at a prominent conservative blogsite.
... ...
First it was frequent commenter "john begley," ...
Now it's Gerry T. Neal's turn:

"Holocaust denial" is ... not good history but it is not the sin Dr. Dawg makes it out to be either.

... ...
Jay's regulars are beginning to let us know what we knew already: anti-Semitism is, and always has been, a disease of the Right. And, for the record, that Right includes the social-conservative, religious agenda of the Islamists.

3 days earlier

Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:57 AM
The Gitmo Kanga-ruse:
Sitting in judgement on Canadian citizen and former child soldier Omar Khadr, Colonel Patrick Parrish wears his colours brightly on his sleeve. This latter-day Roy Bean has demonstrated bias from the get-go: he's plainly of the "first the trial, then the hanging" school of the American Wild West.
... ...
...This isn't a trial in any recognizable sense: it's a judicial lynching.
"We're just embarrassing ourselves by being here," said Khadr,
.. ...

Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:51 PM
I think Canada's long-simmering culture war is about to go viral.

... ... Dr Dawg's colourfully illustrated op-ed that describes the conservative base (for which nobody has claimed non-existence) amounts to "yokels with pitchforks."
This coming from one of the Taliban's more vocal supporters.
... ...
... we have the pitchforks for a reason, to keep mad dogs at bay. Or Bay and Bloor.
... ...
... think less about who we are and more about who you are, as in TRAITORS (collaboration with the enemy being the essential nature of TREASON, and treason being your apparent lack of concern for our national security and the safety of our fighting forces in the field of battle...
... ...
Even yokels with pitchforks know that if you give away the treasury to a bunch of superannuated Ottawa hippies,...

2 days earlier

Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:04 PM
This coming from one of the Taliban's more vocal supporters.
Baglow has already won one legal action against a similar libellous claim. This will make two.

1 day earlier

Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:57 AM
I got an email from Dr. Dawg's realworld alter ego claiming that he had been defamed.

[backhoe]

One pseudonym "defaming" another- am I the only one who sees the insanity of this? Christ on a crutch...

How did you lose control of common sense up there?

[RedDog]

The word 'treason' in 'likely' what set Baglow off when it appeared in thread comments at his blogsite.
Baglow, at his own blogsite, could delete comments and ban commentators immediately, choosing to leave Smith opinions standing at his own site, while demanding they be removed from FreeDominion.

Note that Mr. Baglow responded on the 'offending' Smith essay at FreeDominion 18 hours after it was mounted, posting there under the pseudonym 'MsMews'

This is the aspect I find entertaining - demanding a site remove a comment while letting the identical comment stand on his own site where it could be entertained on HIS terms and timeframe and in the context HE wished to use it - if that is in fact accurate of course.

[Kate Shaw]

Since when has "traitor" been a mortal insult in Canada, where they can't even field a national soccer team worthy of the World Cup because everybody who knows how to play soccer plays for his "home and native land" which is not, in his eyes, Canada?

[Peter O'Donnell]

It may come out further in your Canadian trial (I assume no foreigner such as myself can talk you all out of having a show trial and making idiots of yourselves) that animosity was bound to exist between my battered self and this Baglow personage, due to my blacklisting 1978 to ?? (active at least to 1995, probably 2003, possibly present day) by PSAC, the public service alliance union of which he was (is??) a prominent executive at one point.

I don't mean to imply that he had any active role in my blacklisting, but when I brought it up he reacted the way former Soviet officials used to react to dissidents, calling me mentally ill and shortly afterward launching the now infamous lawsuit.

This has prompted me to consider a more nuanced (there, I said it) response appropriate to my situation. This will include a complete code of silence around all Canadians until said matter of my blacklisting is addressed and resolved in my favour. I am unwilling to go into court typecast by the likes of Warren Kinsella as this or that, when in fact my situation is that of a dissident and oppressed scientist. I refuse to appear in any other role and frankly, cannot appear until I have the benefit of substantial financial and psychological-spiritual recovery and renewal, as would be the case with any gulag or camp survivor.

Unlike most here, I do not level charges of fascism at communists. Commies are what they are, a different beast from the Nazis, and they do not go around killing Jews as their primary objective, but rather, oppressing persons of conscience and landowners, etc, who want freedom rather than the yoke (joke) of socialism. I have been quite clear on that from the very beginning. And now here at the ending of my citizenship, I remain clear on it.

I see in another thread that nobody has quite taken in my comment that I will be requiring action on this blacklisting question before there is any interaction between me and this country's civil society. All requests for contact or information will shortly be routed towards an information site of my own design and control, which will not be interactive. I will remain active on the internet in weather forums based in the U.S., U.K. and especially Ireland.

My Canadian citizenship was effectively terminated by actions such as the blacklisting I mention above. This has been more than an inconvenience or hardship. It has been an attempt to blot me out of national life and history, and to define me as a fraction of a person, and except within my own immortal soul, it has had exactly that effect as I find on numerous occasions. This latest proposal to have me testify like some trained monkey in the role of angry old man on a keyboard is just not going to happen -- I am not dragging myself halfway across the country to play a role in some brain-dead Ontario courtroom drama designed and orchestrated by your mediocre elites and cultural-nationalist robots.

My minimum conditions for an end to the forthcoming period of total silence and non-interaction with Canadians will include:

** an apology from the government of Canada, and preferably a parallel apology from PSAC and Environment Canada although the former is sufficient.

** compensation in the form of a payment, tax free, of $5,000,000 of which I would donate 20% to internet blogger defence funds. A large part of this payment would be required to restore my health which has broken down to the point where I no longer wish to appear in public in Canada, a country very much concerned with appearances. Having a Soviet style dissident in your midst might be rather unsettling, but I am sure that some department store can spare a dummy from their store windows and after the trial you can put that dummy beside the P.M. on the front benches of the government where it belongs.

** abrogation of all current active or contemplated internet surveillance that compromises freedom of speech

** abandonment of the maximum disruption campaigns of Richard Warman, Comrade John Baglow, and Warren Kinsella, against conservative bloggers

** an apology from Baglow to Free Dominion members that he has falsely accused of being neo-Nazis, to include but not limited to "Maikeru" and Gerry McNeal, as well as the Fourniers and myself.

In the absence of these conditions, I shall consider my citizenship to be revoked by your (Canadian) actions and not my my decision, and shall remain entirely silent in your presence if compelled to appear there, otherwise, avoiding it until these matters are resolved. I will make no further or renewed efforts to have these terms and conditions met, they have been communicated in the past and have met with inaction and silence. The only way to change the situation is to lift my blacklisting and given my age, I would consider myself retired a day after that happens.

These terms are non-negotiable and will stand from today until the end of this age or my natural death, whichever comes first.

I wish you all well.

The information website may appear at some point although I believe all necessary information is contained in this post.

Say no to lawfare

[Blaze Pascal]

" Free Dominion members that he has falsely accused of being neo-Nazis,"

Hey, that sounds just like accusing someone of treason. And it happens every day. What's going on here?

[Julian]

The word treason exists for a very good reason. There was a time when traitors were dealt with expeditiously.

[BlawBlaw]

" Free Dominion members that he has falsely accused of being neo-Nazis,"

Hey, that sounds just like accusing someone of treason. And it happens every day. What's going on here?

With the rain, comes the flowers.

If FD and POD are liable for offering the opinon that Dawg is a traitor, treasonous or a sympathyser, then certainly Warren Kinsella is liable for suggestions of neo-Nazi-ism on the part of FD organizers and supporters.

[Julian]

These idiot zealots will be hoist by their own petard.

[BlawBlaw]

These idiot zealots will be hoist by their own petard.

Me thinks you may be correct. Personally, I am tired of being called a neo-Nazi and such. If this suit goes in favour of Dawg, it is in favour of me, you and many other conservatives to sue for being called more names than I care to repeat.

[pirapoi]

These idiot zealots will be hoist by their own petard.

Me thinks you may be correct. Personally, I am tired of being called a neo-Nazi and such. If this suit goes in favour of Dawg, it is in favour of me, you and many other conservatives to sue for being called more names than I care to repeat.

This is something I am confused about, - the time limits on launching legal action, specifically in Ontario.

There is this:

In Ontario, the general civil suit limitation period is two years from the day that the damage was discovered by the plaintiff.

then this:

1.Under the Ontario Libel and Slander Act, a plaintiff must first send a notice in writing specifying the matter complained of. This notice must be sent to each person that is to be sued. No special legal documents need to be used, as a letter explaining specifically what the complaint is about will suffice. It is important that the notice be sent within the time allowed by law. If this is not done in time, the plaintiff will lose his right to sue.

In Ontario, the notice must be sent within six weeks after the alleged act of libel has come to the plaintiff's knowledge.

followed by this:

2.The Act also sets a deadline for the plaintiff to be able to sue, even if he sends the notice on time. The plaintiff must begin the lawsuit within three months after the libel has come to his knowledge.

If you must notify within 6 weeks, and begin the lawsuit within 3 months, I'm not sure how the 2 years fits in.

[Blaze Pascal]

The thought that anyone would ever discover this remark among thousands of his blog posts is laughable.

The thought that someone would look seriously at a shout of "treason" on a web board is laughable.

The only damage to this guy's reputation is because he fights about politics with old men at strange hours on the internet.

[Blaze Pascal]

These idiot zealots will be hoist by their own petard.

Me thinks you may be correct. Personally, I am tired of being called a neo-Nazi and such. If this suit goes in favour of Dawg, it is in favour of me, you and many other conservatives to sue for being called more names than I care to repeat.

War-rant Spinseller's blog archives would be a good place to look for nazi racist accusations galore. That guy has racists under his bed. He sees racist people.

[BlawBlaw]

If you must notify within 6 weeks, and begin the lawsuit within 3 months, I'm not sure how the 2 years fits in.

The two years doesn't apply. Section 19 of the Limitations Act says 2 years applies unless a different period is in an Act listed in a schedule; the schedule specifically mentions section 6 of the Libel and Slander Act which sets the limitation period at three months but you get to go back a full year for any additional defamations you can dig up against the same newspaper or broadcasting station.

Section 5 of the Libel and Slander Act lays out the 6 week notice period.

[Blaze Pascal]

If you must notify within 6 weeks, and begin the lawsuit within 3 months, I'm not sure how the 2 years fits in.

The two years doesn't apply. Section 19 of the Limitations Act says 2 years applies unless a different period is in an Act listed in a schedule; the schedule specifically mentions section 6 of the Libel and Slander Act which sets the limitation period at three months but you get to go back a full year for any additional defamations you can dig up against the same newspaper or broadcasting station.

Section 5 of the Libel and Slander Act lays out the 6 week notice period.

Hi BlawBlaw, can you shed some light on why Peter's remarks were so objectionable, when we hear far greater slanders every day in the media? What did he say that was so egregious? It looks like a pretty normal left-right slam to me. Why is everyone treating these two little lines so seriously?