Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby Edward Kennedy » 03/ 23/ 12 2:54 pm

This judge is living proof that an ahole is still an ahole, even in judges' robes and presidign over court, just the same as an ahole is still an ahole even in a uniform.
Please let me know if I said something that offended you. I may want to offend you again sometime.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby Red Green » 03/ 23/ 12 2:55 pm

smallLliberal wrote:
Red Green wrote:
Connie Fournier wrote:
smallLliberal wrote:anyways, I am done with this topic for a week or two

it just gets people angry at me ... I really dont want that

I am just surprised that people think its cool to directly disobey a Judge if they agree with their politics.


Do you think Marc Emery is cool? Just asking.


I'm a big fan. He's a true freedom fighter.


It was not his business to mess with American laws. That is the job of Americans.

Same way I dont want Americans to come up here and mess with our laws.


It was legal for him to sell pot seeds in Canada. If customs wanted to stop his shipments, they were free to do so. As an American, I see no justification for us trying to exercise our stupid, f'ed up laws in other countries.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby smallLliberal » 03/ 23/ 12 2:59 pm

If customs wanted to stop his shipments, they were free to do so.


When he filled out the Customs documents .. did he really disclose what they were?

I doubt it.

Yes, you can buy and sell pot seeds here. There are several stores doing it within several miles of me. You even pay sales tax on it. :lol: 8)
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby smallLliberal » 03/ 23/ 12 3:02 pm

RG, here is a store front seed company in Toronto. Check out the varieties!!

http://www.sacredseed.com/prodcann.htm
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby Red Green » 03/ 23/ 12 3:07 pm

smallLliberal wrote:
If customs wanted to stop his shipments, they were free to do so.


When he filled out the Customs documents .. did he really disclose what they were?

I doubt it.

Yes, you can buy and sell pot seeds here. There are several stores doing it within several miles of me. You even pay sales tax on it. :lol: 8)



He might have put "seeds" on the customs form. Regardless, he is doing more time than some people who have killed people and certainly more time that some wall street assholes who stole money from people are. This was a political hit but the #@$#%$# jackass c----sucking dickwads down here. F them all!
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby The Devil's Advocate » 03/ 23/ 12 3:10 pm

My mind is always all over the map with these types of situations, and I find myself tying myself up in knots trying to understand everyone's views, and finally my own. But there are three things that I know, FWIW:

Even freedom of expression, as important as it is, doesn't give anyone permission to break another law, including (but not limited to) trespassing. Nor should it.

No one has the neither the right nor obligation to decide for themselves which laws they feel like following and which ones they can give a pass to. Fight them, advocate for thier change (or in this case, addition) but I don't care what you're fighting for, breaking the law must have consequences and must be enforced. No one's cause is so "just" that they should be given free reign.

I don't remember voting for this woman (nor anyone else voting for her) and yet she feels she's been elected to change the law. She hasn't.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby smallLliberal » 03/ 23/ 12 3:23 pm

he is doing more time than some people who have killed people


That is a really good point.

Makes no sense.

I do think he should be allowed to serve his time up here in one of those prisoner exchanges that happen all the time.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby free_life2 » 03/ 23/ 12 3:23 pm

smallLliberal wrote:
Connie Fournier wrote:Sure. Until someone decides that billboards should not be allowed, or that your home is NOT "cool".



I would be against that Connie.

Anti-abortion is a perfectly legit political and personal position. I would vigoriously defend your right to express that opinion in the proper settings.

Just leave the distressed women, Doctors and Nurses alone, please.


You left out the distressed babies Gollumtroll, being torn into chunks is pretty distressing.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby T.G. » 03/ 23/ 12 3:36 pm

I don't think the issue is trespassing and whether the woman was guilty and should be punished for it. I think, in the spirit of non-violent civil disobedience are practised by the greats of the past such as Gandhi and MLK, she is prepared to accept the consequences of that.

The issue is the judge's comments, including "God is wrong." Pretty heady stuff when someone purports to be above God. But also his abuse. That has no place on the part of an individual who purports to be providing an impartial assessment of cases before him.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby T.G. » 03/ 23/ 12 3:41 pm

http://lifesite.net/news/supporters-of- ... life-heroi

Supporters of Mary Wagner encourage letters of support after pro-life heroine sent back to jail
by Thaddeus Baklinski
Fri Mar 23, 2012 14:15 EST

TORONTO, March 23, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Friends and supporters are urging pro-lifers to write letters to jailed pro-life heroine Mary Wagner following a hearing on March 21 where Mr. Justice S. Ford Clements sent her back to jail for an additional 92 days, added to 88 days she already served prior to trial, after finding her guilty of mischief and two counts of failing to comply with probation orders.

Not only did the Ontario Court of Justice judge put Mary back in jail, but he launched into an angry diatribe accusing her of being cowardly and abusive.

“She can sit in jail, if that’s the only way to protect people,” Clements railed, calling Wagner “cowardly” for “abusing other human beings” and not having the courage to make her views known through other channels. “This is an extraordinary waste of resources. Get a grip!”

“You’re wrong and your God’s wrong,” he continued. “You have complete contempt … There is a right to (abortion) in this country … You don’t have a right to cause (abortion-seeking women) extra pain and grief the way you do.”

Mary’s friend and supporter Gordon Truscott told LifeSiteNews, “If ever there were a time to write letters it is when one of our members has been unjustly used. Please contact anyone who can write and get them to write regularly to Mary.”

“Not only will she appreciate people thinking of her but it’s one of only a few ways that we have of pushing for justice,” Truscott added.

To send a letter or card to Mary in prison:

Mary Wagner
Vanier Centre for Women
655 Martin St., Box 1040
Milton, ON L9T 5E6

Please follow these guidelines because the prison mailing department reads everything sent to the inmates:

1. Don’t use stickers (address, return address, pro-life) on the envelope or card.

2. Don’t send any laminated cards, bookmarks, prayer cards, pro-life pamphlets. Non-laminated items will get to her.

3. Don’t ask direct questions about daily activity of the detention centre.

4. Put your address directly in the card or letter. (Sometimes the mail sorter keeps the envelope.)

5. If you would like to send a monetary gift, it must be a money order made out to “Mary Wagner”. The detention centre will deposit the money directly to her account.

6. Many people add a variety of Christian reading material in their mailings, but a maximum of one or two pages of reading material or pamphlets may be sent. Pro-life material that shows the development of the baby but not post-abortion photos is permissible and often shared with other women in the prison. Books should not be sent because they will not be delivered.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby Red Green » 03/ 23/ 12 5:38 pm

smallLliberal wrote:
he is doing more time than some people who have killed people


That is a really good point.

Makes no sense.

I do think he should be allowed to serve his time up here in one of those prisoner exchanges that happen all the time.


I read that the US is purposefully keeping him in a US prison to make an example of him. Bunch of f'ing Nazis run this goddamn country I swear.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby mindyrbusiness » 03/ 23/ 12 5:43 pm

Dozens of university students besiege pro-life vigil, destroy signs as 10 police cruisers look on

by Patrick B. Craine
Striking students surround the 40 Days for Life vigil site.
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Pro-life signs were destroyed by the students.
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MONTREAL, Quebec, March 23, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A raucous crowd of about 60 to 70 university students besieged four pro-life activists holding vigil at the Montreal 40 Days for Life campaign on Wednesday afternoon, destroying their signs as 10 police cruisers looked on, says the campaign leader.

“Four vigilers were swarmed by a throng of disgruntled university students,” Brian Jenkins of Campagne Quebec-Vie told LifeSiteNews. “After this experience I better appreciate the meaning of spiritual warfare.”
Striking students surround the 40 Days for Life vigil site.

The students were a breakaway group from the crowd of tens of thousands of university students protesting this week against a decision by the government of Premier Jean Charest to hike tuition by $1,625 per year. The sheer volume of protesters has reportedly shut down traffic in Montreal’s downtown area.

Jenkins said the youth descended on them at about 4:45 p.m. “Wherever we turned there they were - in front, behind, to our right, to our left,” he said. “The crowd was raucous. Led with blowhorn, chants were sung. Many motorists encouraged them on and the mob reacted jubilantly whenever a car horn was blown.”

The protesters broke the support frame for the 40 Days for Life banner and stole several of the frame’s struts, while leaving a 12-inch gash in the banner itself.

“The outcome of our other materials was not as kind,” Jenkins said. “Our enlarged fetal picture despite being broken in two was saved from any further damage by one of the vigil participants.”
Pro-life signs were destroyed by the students.

The protest lasted until around 6:00 p.m. The pro-lifers say they were able to have more fruitful conversation toward the end when the more boisterous protesters left.

Jenkins said a Sgt. Filion explained to him that he had not ordered police intervention because they did not have enough officers.

“And so, for over an hour the vigilers prayed and tried to dissuade the youth as much as they could,” says Jenkins.

In the end, he says, police levied fines on three of the university students.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby Edward Kennedy » 03/ 23/ 12 5:54 pm

I am surprised, these pro aborticide cowards would confront pro lifers with only a twenty to one advantage.

Typical liberal cowards and inquisatorial intolerant trash.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby Connie Fournier » 03/ 23/ 12 5:57 pm

How come these thugs got off with a fine? Mary Wagner didn't damage any property or menace anyone, yet she goes to prison. These guys get a free pass from the police to harass and intimidate peaceful citizens until they get tired of it, then a couple of them get a fine.
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Re: Judge Erupts in Angry Tirade Against Pro-Life Activist

Postby Edward Kennedy » 03/ 23/ 12 6:02 pm

Connie Fournier wrote:How come these thugs got off with a fine? Mary Wagner didn't damage any property or menace anyone, yet she goes to prison. These guys get a free pass from the police to harass and intimidate peaceful citizens until they get tired of it, then a couple of them get a fine.



It is called politically correct discrimination and it hasppens all the time.

If the flaggarts at the hrc ever drag me before them I will be making my own complaints in several areas for these cruds to deal with.

Guess it is time for a police visit so here goes the line that does it all the time.

IN THE LAST TWO GREAT WARS, SOLDIERS SHOT BETTER PEOPLE THAN THE HRC IDIOTS AND THE MCSQUINTYITE LIARS OF QUEENS PARK. :D

Pot is one for tea. :D
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