OK, let's talk about Marc Lemire

[Maikeru]

The fact that Warren Kinsella still has that picture on his website will play a role in Kinsella's future education on the concept of "knew or should have known".

It's time to put away a decent bottle of wine to celebrate the day...

[Connie Fournier]

Why is this photo cropped?

I just copied the image url from Kinsella's site. Is there a larger version of that image with more people in it? If there is, do you know where I can find it? This image is very important to Lemire's reputation. Once someone accepts that the image is Lemire it is impossible not to look at him with some disdain and suspicion.

That is why Kinsella left that picture up on his site after Marc showed clearly that it was not him. Nizkor had the sense to take it down in light of Marc's evidence, but Kinsella wants to continue to use it as a smear weapon.

[Maikeru]

When B'nai Brith was participating in the Lemire smear they had the whole picture up on their Nizkor website. I have no idea who the other people in the photo were, but they were not Marc Lemire.

*shrugs*

That's good enough for me.

Better ?

[Edward Kennedy]

I would not really care if it was him, a far worse crime is to be a hrc inquistor, give me a thousand nazis long before I would take a hrc inquisitor.

[semper fidelis]

That photo of "Lemire" and Zundel is fake.

Sorry to be thick, but is it fake (that is, doctored in some way) or a real photo of Zundel and someone who is not Lemire?

[Connie Fournier]

That photo of "Lemire" and Zundel is fake.

Sorry to be thick, but is it fake (that is, doctored in some way) or a real photo of Zundel and someone who is not Lemire?

It is someone who is not Lemire. You can tell if you compare the guy in the picture to that real picture of Lemire a year later. The guy in the photo looks like he is in his thirties, and Marc Lemire looks like a little boy.

[Maikeru]

That photo of "Lemire" and Zundel is fake.

Sorry to be thick, but is it fake (that is, doctored in some way) or a real photo of Zundel and someone who is not Lemire?

The picture is fake 'proof' of Lemire's association with Ernst Zundel.

[Narrow Back]

This is a Google search for "Marc Lemire"

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sourc ... =&aq=f&oq=

If I had not become familiar this whole s13.1 mess and I was looking at hiring someone like Marc, there is not a snowball's chance in hell I would if I googled him. People are Googled all the time now when they are being considered for work. In hyper sensitive, politically correct Toronto, even a faint whiff of racism is enough to have you shown the door.

As you can see from that search result the very first thing you read is:

Marc Lemire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Marc Lemire is a figure in the Canadian white supremacist movement. He works closely with neo-Nazi leader Paul Fromm, and is the webmaster of the ...

Who is going to hire this guy? I mean, seriously, who? If you were Marc Lemire, what choices would you have? There's punishment, then there's punishment. Far, far worse people have gotten off from much more serious transgressions. It's not like he drugged and raped a 13 year old kid or something.

I have to say that I am surprised that Marc has not issued some sort of public statement addressing these issues.

[Harry Abrams]

Other than Harry's claim that it is widely known that Lemire supposedly was the HF leader at one time, I have yet to see anything to support that accusation.


If someone demonstrates to me that Marc Lemire was truly the head of the Heritage Front I will publicly admit that I was wrong. So far no one has been able to come up with any credible proof of the assertion and I won't participate in furthering the smear until that day comes.

http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/2005/2 ... fc295.html

The Honourable Mr. Justice Blais

BETWEEN:

IN THE MATTER OF a certificate signed pursuant to subsection

77(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, S.C. 2001, c. 27

("Act");

AND IN THE MATTER OF the referral of that certificate to the

Federal Court pursuant to subsection 77(1), sections 78 and 80 of the Act;

AND IN THE MATTER OF ERNST ZÜNDEL DECISION ON THE REASONABLENESS OF THE CERTIFICATE

[26] Mr. Zündel has always supported the ideology of the White Supremacist Movement, one which is based on the fundamental belief that the white race is an endangered species in need of protection as a result of non-Whites and Jews seeking to attack the foundation of western civilization. Blacks in particular are seen as intellectually inferior, while Jews are viewed as conspiring to gain control of the world through manipulation of financial markets, the spread of communism, pornography and general moral degeneracy. The government is viewed with suspicion as it is seen to be controlled by a Jewish conspiracy referred to as zionist occupation government (ZOG). These fundamental beliefs lead to antisemitic, racist, anti-immigration, anti-democratic, anti-human rights and anti-homosexual attitudes.


[27] The Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s is notoriously well known; what is less known, is the Canadian version which was developed over the 1940s and the 1950s under Adrien Arcand, who promoted Hitler as a saviour of Christianity and formed the Parti national social chrétien in the 1930s. That party then merged with the Canadian Nationalist Party from the West to form the National Unity Party. Later in the 1960s, the Canadian Nazi Party became the National Socialist Party and Mr. Zündel explained how he was influenced by Mr. Arcand himself whom he met when he arrived in Canada in the 1950s. At the conclusion of World War II, the enthusiasm of those Nazi parties around the world was greatly reduced; nevertheless, there still remained some desire to support this neo-Nazi approach. Mr. Zündel is among the few people that worked hard to maintain that support and who went to great lengths to try and establish some credibility to the neo-Nazi movement. He also tried by all means possible to develop and maintain a global network of all groups that have an interest in the same right wing extremist neo-Nazi mind-set.




[34] Mr. Zündel maintained a close association with Wolfgang Droege and even admitted that he believed Mr. Droege was involved in terrorist activities in the United States, including attempting to invade the small Republic of Dominica to establish a White Supremacist Government. Mr. Zündel's house on Carlton Street in Toronto was akin to a revolving door for Mr. Droege, as well as every other member of the White Supremacist Movement in Canada or from abroad. These members were always welcome at his house, which had transformed from a residence, into a command centre for people and organizations worldwide involved in the White Supremacist Movement.


[35] Furthermore, Wolfgang Droege and Marc Lemire, two successive presidents of the Heritage Front, spent a lot of time in Mr. Zündel's house. Mr. Lemire, the last known president of the Heritage Front, was working for Mr. Zündel part-time, and then full-time for many years until Mr. Zündel left for the United States.




[36] Mr. Zündel also maintained a close association with Terry Long and the Aryan Nations. Mr. Long was a very zealous activist in Canada, and was depicted as one of the most extreme of the leaders of the Aryan Nations, an organization founded by Richard Butler in 1974 that has among its goals, the elimination of Jews and all minorities, as well as the creation of a White homeland in the North Western United States.

[37] It is troubling to hear Mr. Zündel proclaim that he is defending freedom of expression and advocating the use of non-violence, while at the same time, spending most of his time working in close quarters with the most extreme individuals and organizations in the White Supremacist Movement.


[38] If, as Mr. Zündel claims, he is not on side with extremists, is not on side with people claiming that the Jews should be eliminated and is not on side with Canadian members of the Heritage Front that wanted to create a list of members of the Jewish Movement for future retaliation, then how can he agree to participate in a meeting of the Heritage Front as a guest speaker, surrounded and supported by members of extremist White Supremacist groups in Canada?


[39] If, as Mr. Zündel said, the Heritage Front, a group described as the most powerful racist gang to hit Canada since the real Nazis back in the Dirty Thirties, was not a good idea, then why would he hire the president of that organization, Mr. Lemire, as a part-time and then full-time employee in his own personal residence?


[40] If, as Mr. Zündel stated, Mr. Droege is a terrorist and was totally ill-advised with everything he has done, be it in the United States or as leader of the Heritage Front, then how can he allow him to enter his house on a daily basis?




[41] If, as Mr. Zündel claims, it is not a good idea to use websites to disseminate messages of racial hatred and incite violence in the pursuit of White Supremacist objectives and that it is not a good idea to post on the Internet a practical guide to Aryan revolution which included chapters on assassinations, terror bombings, sabotage and racial wars, then why would he qualify Bernard Klatt, the man responsible for posting this guide, as a gentle person, and maintain contact with Mr. Klatt over the years?


[49] I also have reservations concerning the scope of Mr. Zündel's knowledge of Mr. Lemire and his involvement in the Heritage Front. I believe that Mr. Zündel was well aware of Mr. Lemire's presidency and particularly of the efforts of Mr. Lemire, a computer expert, to develop websites to disseminate messages of racial hatred and to incite violence. Based on reliable evidence provided to me in camera, I believe that Mr. Zündel was in close association with Mr. Lemire, who was working full-time in Mr. Zündel's house until his departure for the United States in 2000. Furthermore, I also believe that Mr. Lemire had access to Mr. Zündel's website. Mr. Christie testified that Mr. Lemire was constantly admonished by Mr. Zündel about his behaviour; should I therefore believe Mr. Zündel's testimony that he never discussed Heritage Front business in his house with Mr. Lemire? In my view, Mr. Zündel and Mr. Lemire did in fact discuss Heritage Front matters in his house but most probably in Mr. Christie's absence.

[Jason Kauppinen]

Better ?

Yup.

Specifically,

Take dude #3's jaw to forehead, it fits into his torso, including dude #3's neck, twice.

Lemire @ 17's jaw to forehead fits into his torso, including neck, over 3 times, and he's hunched a bit to boot.

Lips to jaw ratios are different for both.

Lemire's ear is way bigger compared to his face than dude #3's.

Dude #3's forehead is way bigger.

[Harry Abrams]

I know, I know. A 2005 decision like the above from a sitting Canadian judge in a "real" court that hasn't been appealed isn't evidence.

[Maikeru]

I have to say that I am surprised that Marc has not issued some sort of public statement addressing these issues.

An excellent point NB.
Here's a great example of how Mr. Lemire might handle that, based on what one finds at the bottom of the page when googling "Doug Collins"+"and Bernie Farber"

May 24, 2005


Sender Information:
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Quebec, Canada

Recipient Information:
[Private]
Google, Inc.
New York, NY, 10018, USA

Sent via: by courier
Re:

[redacted]

Though I have never been convicted of any crimes whatsoever, without any color of right or verifications, you have allowed your search engine to publish and disseminate lies and slanderous remarks against my person by anti-Semites and hate mongers such as Ernst Zundel and Orest Slepakura etc, etc, etc.

These individuals and others sharing their anti-Semitic opinions have made your search engine a trustee and purveyor of their slanderous remarks and despicable lies and innuendoes.

As a businessman with multi million dollar business transactions in play on a daily basis, your actions have caused me billions of dollars in damages, as I have been victimized by having my name bandied about carelessly by you with all of the aforementioned hate propaganda.

I am therefore, by the present, demanding that since you appear not to be able to properly report who I am, what I do, and what my past consists of, that you remove forthwith everything about me from your search engine altogether.

Should you fail to do as requested, I will instruct my attorneys to institute libel action against you as a conspirator in defaming my good name.

I will wait only five (5) working days from your receipt of the presents, to hear from you on this matter before proceeding on same and trust that your immediate corrective action will avoid any unpleasantries between us.

Yours truly,
[signature]
[private]

[Maikeru]

I know, I know. A 2005 decision like the above from a sitting Canadian judge in a "real" court that hasn't been appealed isn't evidence.

Harry, have you any idea what the 'reliable evidence' was that the good Judge is referencing by this line:

Based on reliable evidence provided to me in camera

[Mark Fournier]

So the only 'proof' you can come up with, Harry, is a document produced by a process that was later ruled to be unconstitutional. Is it mere coincidence that the only conviction Marc Lemire has ever received was in another unconstitutional process? Are we seeing a pattern emerging?

Do you have any evidence at all that was obtained by legitimate means?

[Narrow Back]

I know, I know. A 2005 decision like the above from a sitting Canadian judge in a "real" court that hasn't been appealed isn't evidence.

It's new information for me. I will think it over. It has teeth, I'll give you that.

The only question that I really care about is this: Is Marc Lemire guilty of a "thought crime"? It appears the answer is yes. Marc Lemire is a thought criminal. Am I right?