OK, let's talk about Marc Lemire

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OK, let's talk about Marc Lemire

Postby Narrow Back » 09/ 03/ 09 5:42 pm

This appalling piece of crap was spewed up by the newspaper that we dare not speak its name.

Before reading it, I ask this: What has Marc Lemire said or written that is an example of "extreme" language/hatred? Can anyone prove he is in fact a "One-time Neo Nazi"? I have no idea. Not a clue. Please, someone, explain this to me. I'd be grateful.


Hate-speech law rejected in rights ruling

One-time neo-Nazi claims free expression victory in legal battle defending his controversial website

Jesse McLean
staff reporter


A one-time member of a Canadian neo-Nazi group is declaring victory after the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal denounced the country's Internet hate speech law as an unconstitutional violation of free expression.

"What this means is that I can write about controversial topics without Big Brother looking over my shoulder," said Marc Lemire, whose website was the target of a human rights complaint. "It's a good day for freedom of speech in Canada."

Free speech proponents are praising yesterday's decision as the beginning of the end of the Canadian Human Rights Act's Section 13, a contentious provision targeting online hate speech that has fielded numerous complaints of censorship.

Tribunal chair Athanasios Hadjis's decision dismissed six-year-old complaints by Ottawa-based lawyer Richard Warman that postings hosted on the Lemire's website were allegedly discriminatory and would likely expose identifiable groups to "hatred or contempt."

In response, Lemire challenged the Canadian Human Rights Act itself.

The act was previously challenged in 1990. The Supreme Court of Canada upheld the law in a split decision, ruling that even though the law offends the Charter it represents a restriction on freedom of speech that can be demonstrably justified for the betterment of society.

In yesterday's decision, however, Hadjis said that Section 13 cases were supposed to be remedial, but had instead "become more penal in nature."

On top of being asked to cease producing the discriminatory messages, the act stipulates that an accused can be fined upward of $10,000.

Hadjis did find Lemire responsible for hate speech for one posting on his website, an article titled AIDS Secrets, that blames the HIV epidemic on the rise of "the sick and sleazy pleasure houses of the `liberated' homosexuals."

But because of the unconstitutional nature of the law, he refused to make any orders against Lemire.

In the early 1990s, Lemire was a member of the Heritage Front, a neo-Nazi white supremacist organization. The same legal team that defended Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel headed his constitutional challenge.
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Postby sturmgeshutz » 09/ 03/ 09 5:47 pm

Socialism always attacks the ones on the fringe, first. They are the proverbial canary in the coal mine. But rest assured, when the noose tightens, the remainder will die.

First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.
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Postby Connie Fournier » 09/ 03/ 09 5:53 pm

We have to start calling people out for this.

The CHRC investigated Marc Lemire for six years. They pored over his every word. In all that time, the only thing they could find that violated Section 13 was an article that was written by somebody else.

I am sick and tired of people (even people on our side of the debate) helping to spread vicious lies about an innocent man.

I know one blogger, in particular, who writes stuff that violates Section 13 of the CHRC just about every day of the week, and this blogger has the audacity to refer to Marc Lemire...who hasn't written anything hateful...as a white supremacist and a neo-Nazi.

It turns my stomach.
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Postby Angleland » 09/ 03/ 09 5:54 pm

I don't know Lemire but I do know that he appeared in a blatantly doctored photo with Zundel when he (Lemire) would have been about 5 years old.

As for the group he supposedly belonged to, the Heritage Front was created and run by CSIS operative Grant Bristow.
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Postby Narrow Back » 09/ 03/ 09 6:00 pm

Angleland wrote:I don't know Lemire but I do know that he appeared in a blatantly doctored photo with Zundel when he (Lemire) would have been about 5 years old.

As for the group he supposedly belonged to, the Heritage Front was created and run by CSIS operative Grant Bristow.


Didn't Kinsella post that image? Am I wrong?

Grant Bristow interview:

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Postby Connie Fournier » 09/ 03/ 09 6:02 pm

In the "early 1990s", Marc Lemire was a teenager. It is obvious this "reporter" got all of her information on Marc Lemire from wikipedia.

I thought journalism schools taught their students better than that.
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Postby Rancher » 09/ 03/ 09 6:09 pm

If it's in Wikipedia, it must be true!

(Sarcasm off now)


Wikipedia also references Lemire as being the last President of the Heritage Front.
I'm pretty sure Lemire or his associates read Free Dominion. It should be easy for him to confirm or deny the allegations of Neo-Nazi affiliation on his part.
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Postby Angleland » 09/ 03/ 09 6:10 pm

Narrow Back wrote:
Angleland wrote:I don't know Lemire but I do know that he appeared in a blatantly doctored photo with Zundel when he (Lemire) would have been about 5 years old.

As for the group he supposedly belonged to, the Heritage Front was created and run by CSIS operative Grant Bristow.


Didn't Kinsella post that image? Am I wrong?

Grant Bristow interview:



I seem to recollect that image being posted by someone, possibly the bigot you mentioned.
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Postby Crash » 09/ 03/ 09 6:12 pm

Why is he on a message board that promotes "White Power"?
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Postby Narrow Back » 09/ 03/ 09 6:20 pm

Crash wrote:Why is he on a message board that promotes "White Power"?


I don't know. I would like to. If he is, what does it mean? Youthful frustration? An inclination to rebel? An "f-u" attitude? I don't know. Maybe he is just an imperfect human striving to figure things out. Since the press have designated him an "evil" villain, I want understand this. The "Jack The Ripper" of human dignity, or mere mortal? What's the truth?
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Postby Peter O'Donnell » 09/ 03/ 09 6:21 pm

Connie says, "I thought journalism schools taught their students better than that."

You must have been talking to Wellington Boote-Daley, he tried that one on me as well.

Of course, he went to journalism school between the wars. The Civil War and the Boer War, that is to say.
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Postby fourhorses » 09/ 03/ 09 6:22 pm

Crash wrote:Why is he on a message board that promotes "White Power"?



I would think that no one would listen to him back then and most of those who did, didn't believe him. That went for FD as well. Lemire was not believed here by many.

His story was strange, the incidents were difficult to fathom, his opposition had him well painted as a neo-nazi so he couldn't get any kind of audience or support, even from the libertarian types.

You may cringe at the so-called White Forums, but they seemed to have a lot of the data, info, research etc., long before anyone else. Then along came the FD incident with the CHRC which had erie parallels. Then came Levant, then came Steyn, then lo and behold people began to dig in and research. The research they came up with was uncannily exact to some of those boards.

Go figure, eh ?
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Re: OK, let's talk about Marc Lemire

Postby Maikeru » 09/ 03/ 09 6:24 pm

Jesse McLean staff reporter wrote:The same legal team that defended Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel headed his constitutional challenge.
Tough brutes these aging Aryan Youth - they've established a bridgehead across Canada's finest front line defense, the dreaded moat of public piss
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Postby Crash » 09/ 03/ 09 6:25 pm

I think my opinion on the overall subject has been offered ad nauseum on this board. So I will get ahead of the holier than thou bunch that will no doubt attack me for feeling the way I do.

My overall point, which I stated more concisely in the past is that there is a difference between being a desirable individual, and the rights of freedoms of individuals.

I think we as ideologies, activists, and partisans often fall in the same trap as the media. There is good and evil, black and white...no other issue at play. I couldn't agree more with what you said about "villainy", but perhaps at the end of the day I might see the issue a bit differently in a broader sense.
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Postby Crash » 09/ 03/ 09 6:27 pm

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