Maximum Disruption! Warman sues Conservative Blogosphere!

Documenting free speech attacks by Richard Warman, Warren Kinsella, the Human Rights Commissions and others who would seek to silence conservative discourse in Canada.

Postby Fabulous Fred » 01/ 28/ 09 10:51 am

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Fabulous Fred wrote:Connie, are all of the John Doe's contributing to the defense fund? Just curious, I am not asking for names to be named or anything of that nature.

If not all are then I think that says something important.


A number of them were probably either you know who (two leading candidates) or sock puppet(s) of you know who(s). klinxx comes to mind among others.

The two of the eight most active currently, PO and Faramir, I assume are contributing what they can.


I am certain as is possible to be without having the facts that there are some of the eight who are quite active in the defense funding, klinxx was no doubt a hrc employee, but the others, what of them? I wonder how many were sent here to provide hrc complaint fodder?

This surely must be illegal.
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Postby Narrow Back » 01/ 28/ 09 10:55 am

Fabulous Fred wrote:
Narrow Back wrote:
justmy3cents wrote:before someone thinks im someone else, my name is P. Kouba and Warman can come sue me . No trap, no BS, just a citizen who will not be silenced , not when our ancestors gave their lives so we can have freedom of speech.
So anyways now you know my name and please dont ban me again or insult me by saying I am Warman.
Thank you


Is this you?

http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/search/view_ ... isruling=0


Damn.... you're good narrowback! :D


:lol: Thanks. It was pretty easy though. I just searched Kouba+Warman.
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Postby LFR » 01/ 28/ 09 11:00 am

justmy3cents wrote:before someone thinks im someone else, my name is P. Kouba and Warman can come sue me . No trap, no BS, just a citizen who will not be silenced , not when our ancestors gave their lives so we can have freedom of speech.
So anyways now you know my name and please dont ban me again or insult me by saying I am Warman.
Thank you


So what you're saying is that you're one of Canada's 7 basement-dwelling skin-heads?
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Postby J.B. Stone » 01/ 28/ 09 11:05 am

justmy3cents wrote:before someone thinks im someone else, my name is P. Kouba and Warman can come sue me . No trap, no BS, just a citizen who will not be silenced , not when our ancestors gave their lives so we can have freedom of speech.
So anyways now you know my name and please dont ban me again or insult me by saying I am Warman.
Thank you


What IS your agenda/intention...???

You're making people uneasy here in part because you seem to want to play guessing games.

:-k

Why not just lay it out...???

Are you a "neo Nazi".....???

http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=785

18. In Warman v. Kouba[4], the Tribunal identified a number of ‘hallmarks’ of material that is likely to expose persons to hatred or contempt, based on the emerging body of section 13 jurisprudence. It is explained that these hallmarks are what distinguish them from legitimate speech that is not subject to sanction under s. 13 of the Act. In the decision, it states that these hallmarks involve an “attack on inherent self-worth and dignity of the members of the targeted group.” and also states “To paraphrase the words of Justice Muldoon of the Federal Court, material that bears the hallmarks of a hate message disparages and ridicules other people ‘just for drawing breath, for living’ (Canada (Human Rights Commission) v. Canadian Liberty Net, [1992] 3 F.C. 155 at para. 56).” The eleven “hallmarks” cited in Warman v. Kouba (2006) are as follows:

a) The targeted group is portrayed as a powerful menace that is taking control of the major institutions in society and depriving others of their livihoods, safety, freedom of speech and general well-being;

b) The messages use “true stories”, news reports, pictures and references from purportedly reputable sources to make negative generalizations about the targeted group;

c) The targeted group is portrayed as preying upon children, the aged, the vulnerable, etc.;

d) The targeted group is blamed for the current problems in society and the world;

e) The targeted group is portrayed as dangerous or violent by nature;

f ) The messages convey the idea that members of the targeted group are devoid of any redeeming qualities and are innately evil;

g) The messages communicate the idea that nothing but the banishment, segregation or eradication of this group of people will save others from the harm being done by this group;

h) The targeted group is de-humanized through comparisons to and associations with animals, vermin, excrement, and other noxious substances;

i) Highly inflammatory and derogatory language is used in the messages to create a tone of extreme hatred and contempt;

j) The messages trivialize or celebrate past persecutions or tradegy involving members of the targeted group;

k) Calls to take violent action against the targeted group.


Why not POST some of the language that got you INTO this mess with Little Dickie Warbaby....???

:^o

It appears he argued that you DO "rave on" about minorities or some such transgression. I'd like to hear YOUR explanation, accompanied by some concrete EVIDENCE.

Otherwise, you DO come off as "sneaky".

Precisely WHAT is it that you are dying to say so badly that you have to use FD in the middle of a turmoil as a soap box from which to advertise...???

What's your connection to Lemire...???

I'm not going to spend MY valuable time attempting to discern "where you're coming from"......and, I doubt anyone ELSE here "needs" that diversion.

The ONLY reason I took the time to Google you was to get SOME kind of actual information about you. Public Records generally don't "lie", but you are certainly "free to speak"....just drop the subterfuge.

8)

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Also, somewhere buried in THIS text are further references to your language......care to tell us exactly WHAT you said to piss off the powers that be...???

http://www.stopracism.ca/drupal/node/2692

CLOSING SUBMISSIONS OF RICHARD WARMAN Re: CHRC and Marc Lemire ...
In the Tribunal decision of Warman v. Kouba, 2006 CHRT 50, ..... Argues that Francophones are “french scum” and are not real Canadians (p 15); ...
www.stopracism.ca/drupal/node/2692


I didn't want to experience severe eye strain after scanning it for several minutes....not to mention that Warman NAUSEATES me.

What gives...???

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Care to delineate, IN DETAIL, your involvement in "Whiteville"....???

22-Nov-06


T1071/5205


Peter Kouba

Identity established by Police infiltration of Stormfront and WCFU meetings.



From decision:

[88] Sergeant Camp testified that a number of investigative techniques were used to determine proud18's identity. First, proud18's postings revealed that this individual lived in Edmonton, was organizing rallies in Edmonton and was discussing the establishment of a Whites-only community in Alberta that was to be called "Whiteville". Surveillance was conducted on the rallies and meetings that proud18 had helped to organize. One such rally was held in February 2004, at the Sandman Inn in Edmonton. There, an individual who was identified as "Peter Kouba" spoke about Whiteville and the strategy that would be used to get Whiteville started. Sergeant Camp testified that Peter Kouba's statements during the rally were consistent with the statements that proud18 had made on the stormfront.org discussion forum.



[89] Sergeant Camp testified that the Police conducted computerized checks on the Motor Vehicle Registry and utilized other information sources such as the CPIC system (Canadian Police Information Centre) to trace proud18's identity. Sergeant Camp testified that through the Motor Vehicle Registry, the Police were able to match a picture with the name "Peter Kouba". They were also able to verify that Peter Kouba was one of the people attending the white supremacist rallies and meetings organized by proud18 and others on the Canadian forum of stormfront.org.



[96] Sergeant Camp met with Peter Kouba on March 29, 2005. The conversation was wide-ranging and informal. Sergeant Camp stated that he confronted Mr. Kouba with the fact that, as proud18 on stormfront.org, he had said some very hateful and derogatory things about Jewish and Aboriginal people, as well as other minority groups. Sergeant Camp testified that Mr. Kouba responded by saying "yes", but then adding that he made the postings not to promote hatred, but to promote white nationalism. Sergeant Camp stated that during the meeting, Mr. Kouba discussed his involvement in the stormfront.org forum as "proud18".



[128] Sergeant Camp gave credible testimony about the basis for his conclusion that proud18 and WhiteEuroCanadian were the pseudonyms used by the Respondent. I find Sergeant Camp's testimony with regard to the meeting of March 29, 2005, to be particularly salient. During the meeting, Sergeant Camp referred to proud18's postings on stormfront.org and WhiteEuroCanadian's postings on the WCFU website. Sergeant Camp's evidence was that Mr. Kouba did not deny having made those postings and indeed, attempted to justify them by saying that he made them not for the purpose of promoting hatred, but to promote white nationalism and white pride.

http://canadianhumanrightscommission.bl ... me-to.html


Sergeant Camp gave credible testimony about the basis for his conclusion that [b]proud18 and WhiteEuroCanadian were the pseudonyms used by the Respondent. [/b]

Yes or No....???

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Your fame and fortune and reputation precede your current messages here, it seems.....

Warman filed THREE Section 13 complaints in Edmonton area. Those are:
1. Glenn Bahr
2. Western Canada for Us [Bahr and Western Canada for Us was ONE
hearing with two named respondents]
3. Peter Kouba



Guess who was the star witness at both Canadian Human Rights Tribunal hearing to uphold Warman's complaints? Sgt. Stephen Camp.



In both the decisions of the CHRT, Sgt. Camp is quoted extensively. See the decisions:
[Bahr and WCFU] and [Peter Kouba]


http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/v ... p?t=100752


See Also:

http://www.richardwarman.com/transcript ... lume_1.pdf

So.....what do you WANT...???
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Postby J.B. Stone » 01/ 28/ 09 11:13 am

Narrow Back wrote:
justmy3cents wrote:before someone thinks im someone else, my name is P. Kouba and Warman can come sue me . No trap, no BS, just a citizen who will not be silenced , not when our ancestors gave their lives so we can have freedom of speech.
So anyways now you know my name and please dont ban me again or insult me by saying I am Warman.
Thank you


Is this you?

http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/search/view_ ... isruling=0


THIS is kinda innerestin'.....

III. WHO APPEARED AT THE HEARING?
[13] The Commission fully participated at the hearing into the complaint and was represented by counsel. The Complainant also participated but was not represented by legal counsel, although it should be noted that he is a lawyer by profession.

[14] The Respondent did not attend the first day of the hearing. At the outset of the hearing, an Affidavit of Service was filed indicating that he had been personally served with a Notice of the case conference on June 9, 2006 to discuss the upcoming hearing, a Notice of Venue indicating the exact location and dates of the hearing and a Tribunal letter outlining the procedure for the hearing. On that basis, I was satisfied that the Respondent had been provided with ample notice of the inquiry into the complaint as required by s. 50 of the Act. The hearing then proceeded on the first day in the Respondent's absence.

[15] On the second day of the hearing, the Respondent appeared. He was not represented by counsel or an agent. The Respondent cross-examined the Complainant and made submissions in closing argument. He chose however, not to testify or to call any evidence on his own behalf.


:-k

Where was all the angst and drama THEN....???

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Postby Connie Fournier » 01/ 28/ 09 12:28 pm

I don't think we really want to re-try the Kouba vs Warman hearing here.

I have no idea if this is really Peter Kouba or not. I'm inclined to believe it isn't.

In any case, the Kouba case was the one where they came up with the infamous "Hallmarks of Hate". Another awful precedent set by going after someone who couldn't afford a lawyer.

As far as the John Does donating....I honestly don't know. We make no attempt to associate names on cheques, money orders etc. with FD members. I would imagine they are pulling their weight, though.
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Postby Edward Kennedy » 01/ 28/ 09 3:01 pm

justmy3cents wrote:I understand your hesitation in trusting my word that I am who I am. I have long ago lost my abbility to trust. Been backstabbed by those I thought I could trust.
No I am NOT a skinhead or neo-nazi. and never have been. I am proud of my race but believe all races have the right to exist.
The so called hearing was a joke. First of all I was NEVER notified of the time and place. The reason I showed up on the second day is because I read about it in the Sun newspaper. There I was NOT allowed to cross examine that cop. His lies were taken as truth. Then I was allowed 5 minutes to say my piece and cut short. No evidence was ever presented that I did anything illegal.
I believe that neo-nazis are bad for any white person to speak his or her mind because automaticaly we are all labeled nazis.
My relatives were killed by Nazis so it is a insult and slander to be called that.
I am a white male who is proud of his white heritage. Simple. Just like blacks and natives promote their heritage and yell it at the top of their lungs. I want to be able to yell my pride at the top of my lungs. But the problem in this system is that if you are white and yell you are a proud whiteman then you must be a nazi or some nutjob. Why???
There are too many questions on here for me to answear all of them. But I will do my best.
That is why I want to sue Warman for slander. I have no tattoos, I have no history being part of any Nazi stuff and yet he calls me a nazi and a racist every chance he gets.
That court thing was a joke. Outside of the 5 minutes I was NOT permited to say anything. That is why I did not bother comming back for the 3rd. day where they found me guilty simply based on Kemps and warmans testimony. And fined me $10.000.
I was banned on stormfront because I did not agree with the Nazi group. In the posts leading up to my bannishment I argued with Lemiere and others that there way of nazi this and nazi that is what is hurting the white race the most. After I got banned someone had the pull at stormfront to keep posting using my name.
So bottom line is that I am proud of my race but am not and will never be a skinhead or a nazi.
Please stop and think and see the difference.


What you describe is typical liar/coward/defaming conduct by lieberals and I do believe you. They tried this shite on Lemire but he came back at them. Would not matter if you were a skinhead, racist, or nazi, you would be welcome at my table long before I trusted one of those hrc fascists.
Please let me know if I said something that offended you. I may want to offend you again sometime.
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Postby J.B. Stone » 01/ 28/ 09 4:25 pm

I am proud of my race but believe all races have the right to exist.


What "race" is THAT...???

It's the fly in your ointment in my estimation.

Unless you believe in eugenics or some similarly obfuscated "reasoning"....there is NOTHING "special" about being of ANY race..... :shake:

Furthermore, to brandish your "white pride" is just as childish and immature as they come.

There's PLENTY of "whites" I could NEVER give any support to, let alone admire.....Timothy McVeigh, Bill Clinton, Bill Ayers, Jeffrey Dahmer just to name a few.... :roll:

So, basing your life's ambitions and activities on such a WIDE generality as race is simply foolhardy.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here as for your other claims...but, I STILL think you're a numnutz.

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Postby fourhorses » 01/ 28/ 09 4:46 pm

Connie Fournier wrote:I don't think we really want to re-try the Kouba vs Warman hearing here.

I have no idea if this is really Peter Kouba or not. I'm inclined to believe it isn't.



an interesting case study ...

Edmonton Police hate crimes unit - a model for best practice
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/v ... p?t=100752


Best Practices is where the police post hate messages ?


From reading the transcripts, it appears as though the evidence filed was circumstantial at best, linking Kouba under his admitted pseudonym to another poster pseudonym who also had or purported to have some sort of Czech background. Kouba denied being the other poster and there seemed to be no direct link to Kouba as the other poster. This was also the scenario for the "post-claim" evidence filed and provided to Kouba on day 2.

Additionally, if I read this transcript correctly, Warman was allowed to enter evidence as a handwriting expert.


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Connie Fournier wrote:I have no idea if this is really Peter Kouba or not. I'm inclined to believe it isn't.


If it is really Kouba, then he could shed some light on evidence that hasn't come forth before - evidence that can be verified. If not, then just an impostor looking to entrap or flame some issue.
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Postby Angleland » 01/ 28/ 09 6:56 pm

justmy3cents wrote:
J.B. Stone wrote:Unless you believe in eugenics or some similarly obfuscated "reasoning"....there is NOTHING "special" about being of ANY race.....


LOL Oldtimer you must read up on scientific advances before you say something as silly as that again. These days they can tell from a skeleton if it was from a white or black or asian etc. From DNA to bone messurments they can tell what region on Earth you lived in.

Furthermore, to brandish your "white pride" is just as childish and immature as they come.


Hey if being proud of my culture offends you then fine, free to your opinions but be ready when one calls you on it. We have black pride, we have latino pride, we have gay pride but heaven forbid that some childish and immature numnutz is into white pride. Hypocryte!!!!

There's PLENTY of "whites" I could NEVER give any support to, let alone admire.....Timothy McVeigh, Bill Clinton, Bill Ayers, Jeffrey Dahmer just to name a few....


And your point is what?? That there are sick puppies in all races. Agreed.


Race pride seems stupid to me. I can see being proud of one's own accomplishments but nobody does anything to be in a race. Nobody should be ashamed of what they are - nor have giuilt either. It's all a load of rot. I can donate a kidney to someone of a different race but I would be unable to receive same from my own sibling. If there were race specific weapons, theu would have been used by now. I think they have been researched. The closest thing to such was the North American natives lack of immunity to small pox.
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Postby J.B. Stone » 01/ 28/ 09 7:01 pm

justmy3cents wrote:
Hey if being proud of my culture offends you then fine, free to your opinions but be ready when one calls you on it. We have black pride, we have latino pride, we have gay pride but heaven forbid that some childish and immature numnutz is into white pride. Hypocryte!!!!



And your point is what?? That there are sick puppies in all races. Agreed.



Hey if being proud of my culture offends you then fine,

:lol:

Make up your mind, you USELESS PUTZ.....is it a "race" or a "culture"...???
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Postby Electric Gulag » 01/ 28/ 09 10:42 pm

I'll give you my two cents, justmy3cents: you're two sandwitches short of a full picnic. What does being "white" have to do with anything? Conservatism is an outlook, and does not depend on race at all. I agree with Martin Luther King JR: people should be judged on the content of their character- not their race. Besides, most of the elitist, socialist, liberals that are screwing this world up are "white". So if that's what you're proud of, then get yourself on the Jerry Springer show, and be proud of yourself. You fit in better over there than on this site where no one agrees with you. We're all races here. I'm proud of my life's accomplishments, and my family, not the pigmentation in my skin. If that's all you've got to be proud of, then no wonder the HRC's took you to the cleaners.
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Postby LFR » 01/ 28/ 09 10:47 pm

j3c does have a point in regards to our current multi-cult society. Black pride is encouraged and celebrated. Latino pride is encouraged and celebrated. Gay pride is encouraged and celebrated. White pride is discouraged and prosecuted by the federal government. It's blatant hypocrisy...

That said, the only reasonable option is to get rid of all the demographic pride crap and start to promote "Canadian Pride" instead...

Even after saying that, I still think he's a plant...
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