Vote conservative, not Tory!

[justanothervoice]

I think its the fact that more and more Parents are pulling their Kids out of the public system every year and looking for another way to educate them because of bullying, Kids being pushed through whether they learn or not and of course drugs.
These Parents are hard working taxpayers that want funding for their alternate school choices, whether that choice is Religious, Private, or even Special schools for Kids with disabilities who are not thriving in the mainstream programs.

Tory is offering a program that is fairer to all of them, and yes if one religion qualifies, they all should.

[doggedlyright]

Tory is offering a program that is fairer to all of them, and yes if one religion qualifies, they all should.

If he or any of the mainstream partisan political parties really wish to give a system that is fair and balanced, then give us a VOUCHER SYSYTEM

[Electric Gulag]

I think you're absolutely right, JustAnotherV_ , the "Guettoization" is alreay inevitable. The Public system is so morally bankrupt that more and more, parents are going to be placing their children in private schools anyway. Soon the middle-class will be out of the public school system, and we'll have a two-tier system. Keeping the public school system secular won't stop the balkanization of Ontario. Multiculturalism is coming to its fruition.

[doggedlyright]

I think you're absolutely right, JustAnotherV_ , the "Guettoization" is alreay inevitable. The Public system is so morally bankrupt that more and more, parents are going to be placing their children in private schools anyway. Soon the middle-class will be out of the public school system, and we'll have a two-tier system. Keeping the public school system secular won't stop the balkanization of Ontario. Multiculturalism is coming to its fruition.

What a load of bunk.

it can be stopped if we cease voting for liberals in conservative clothing.

It can be stopped if we cease demanding that the government do more for us. What ever happened to self reliance?

It can be stopped if we demand an Oath of Allegiance from our citizens.

It can be stopped if we cease all immigration immediately and re-think who we desire to allow the opportunity to join our country and to make it better.

It can be stopped if we simply ceased voting on partisan political party lines.

However, your statement is so telling of the losing mentality of Canadians. We have been brainwashed by our governments and our partisan political parties that we are losers and need mother government.

[justanothervoice]

If he or any of the mainstream partisan political parties really wish to give a system that is fair and balanced, then give us a VOUCHER SYSYTEM

I agree, a voucher system is the fairest way.
If they wanted to bring in a real voucher system, the province would come up with a set amount of funding allowed per child and all Families with Children would be eligible.
Public, Private Christian, Traditional Private School, Home Schoolers, and people who needed to send their Kids to special schools. (Autistic Kids being one example) would all recieve equal funding and be able to choose the Education system that would best benefit their Children.
Under a voucher, home schooling Parents that wanted to teach the Ontario curriculum at home, would be able to use the voucher to purchase curriculum material and not be forced to cover the cost all alone.

If the funding did not cover the amount needed to pay for Christian or Private, the family would have to make up the difference.
In the case of Christian schools, the provincial funding would probably only cover half the tuition.

[Electric Gulag]

Doggyright, I don't see how you can translate my post into my advocating government intervention. Au contraire, I'm all for private schools and the average family sending their children to non-government run secular schools.
I'm not admitting defeat, but merely the reality as it is on the ground. Unless you're living in the deep woods, you've got to acknowledge that Canada has forever changed due to the massive levels of immigration. You can't put the toothpaste back in the bottle. The old Canada is not coming back. We've got to do the best we can moving foreward to fuse conservative values with the new reality.

[doggedlyright]

You are admitting defeat.

It is easy to put the cork bag int the bottle so to speak.

STOP VOTING FOR FAKE CONSERVATIVES.

STOP VOTING FOR PROGRESSIVES AND LIBERALS/SOCIALISTS.

STOP IMMIGRATION

STOP FUNDING IMMIGRANTS TO RETAIN THEIR CUSTOMS.

FORCE OATH OF ALLEGIANCES.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT AN OLD CANADA. THIS IS ABOUT A CANADA REMAINING AS A SORT OF DEMOCRATIC AND OPEN SOCIETY,

THE PATH WE ARE ON CANADA WILL HAVE NO CULTURE AND NO DISTINCTION.

IT IS SAD THAT OUR CORE VALUE HAS BECOME "FREE HEALTH CARE"

[Electric Gulag]

The real problem, D-Right, is that home-grown Canadians have abandoned their Judeo-Christian values, and adopted a secular lifestyle, which is basically materialism. You can stop immigration all you want, but Canada would still slip down the slope into a socialist dictatorship. Our only hope is some kind of Judeo-Christian religious revival of sorts, and that with the help of immigrants who do have religious faith, we can keep some measure of order that benefits the family, and that keeps the freedoms that we now enjoy.
What's done is done, let's face it, Canadians by and large have lost their beliefs, and when that happens, the government takes over in directing how people should think.
I do believe that we can turn the ship around, but to turn the ship around you have to at least slow the ship down and prevent it from barrelling ahead in the wrong direction. If Tory wins, the ship won't change direction, but at least it will slow down.

[doggedlyright]

If Tory wins the ship of destruction will speed up.

He will increase the speed of secularism and socialism. He does not care as he and his family and his grandkids kids will always have the money to run to land s of freedom.

Let us not forget , Tory's claim to the homosexual community. He is proud to be leading the parade of the homesexual agenda.

No different than any other liberal except for the fact he has no connection to th average joe and he will sell us to the devil for his gain.

[justanothervoice]

So show me another Conservative candidate running for Premier that has any chance of winning and I'll consider voting for him.
I'm commited to voting Conservative all the way.

[doggedlyright]

SO you are saying that you ar voting for your local conservative candidate becuase you want the premier to be the leader of the OPC party.

Well Tory is not conservative and the people around him (and I know them quite well) are not the bit conservative either fiscally or socially.

you are jusgt as bad as people voting liberal becuase they always vote liberal.

Think beyond the box of partisan politics.

[FriedmanForever]

So show me another Conservative candidate running for Premier that has any chance of winning and I'll consider voting for him.
I'm commited to voting Conservative all the way.

Playing to the center does not always work. It has pluses, in that you appeal to a large number of voters. However, in a game of mere positioning, Tory will probably lose to McGuinty - who is more credible as a centrist than Tory (people will still continue Tory to Harris, stupid though it may be).

You beat a guy like McGuinty the same way Mike Harris one - divisive wedge issues. Voter anger over healthcare premiums is old news, you need a policy that breaks McGuinty's coalition of supporters. Vouchers are a bad wedge issue, since rich people already vote Conservative. Tax cuts are a much better issue, since they can help win back the 905.

[doggedlyright]

Tax cuts are a much better issue, since they can help win back the 905.

OHHHH sorry but Tory said on TVO that he could not promise tax cuts.

His promises to date indicate a huge tax increase.

If one cannot promise tax cuts, one cannot promise not to raise taxes.[/code]

[justanothervoice]

Vouchers are a bad wedge issue, since rich people already vote Conservative. Tax cuts are a much better issue, since they can help win back the 905.

Vouchers would look great to me.
They give Parents options and they allow Parents to decide how to best educate their Kids.
I would thin if they had vouchers and then saw a huge usurge of people opting out of the public system as a result, it would send a powerful message.
I'm sure thats why the Liberal side (and remember McGinty's Wife is in education) hates the idea so much.

[EdS]

Considering that there is not a FPO (Freedom Party) candidate in my riding, I will probably be voting FCP.

I'm torn. The PC candidate is a good one. Tough decision this election.