OK, let's talk about Marc Lemire

[Marshall]

When one resorts to using the infamous "It's rather well know" and uses the phrase repeatedly it's obvious their argument lacks substance.

[free_life2]

A Few questions for Connie and Mark:

1. Do you contend that Lemire was never a leader of the Heritage Front?

2. Do you contend that Lemire was never a member of the Heritage Front?

3. Do you believe that Lemire had no relationship with Zundel?

We are aware of your association with Heritage Front members, Harry.

We believe that Marc Lemire is not guilty of any crime against the people of Canadian unlike you thugs who want to dismantle our rights and freedoms.

In the absence of proof that Marc Lemire has done or said anything considered hate even by the ultra left roo's standards, that make Marc Lemire a honorable and decent man who has valiantly fought for the rights and freedoms of all Canadians. Unlike you Harry who continues to try and dismantle our rights and freedoms while also continuing to try and smear an honorable and decent man. It is also understood by us how you cannot recognize an honorable and decent man.

[Mark Fournier]

When one resorts to using the infamous "It's rather well know" and uses the phrase repeatedly it's obvious their argument lacks substance.

I caught that too, Marshall. I would like to see some credible evidence to support what is claimed to be "rather well known" by Harry. I would also like to see some evidence that anyone other than Marc Lemire knows the politics of Marc Lemire. I sure don't and I've interviewed and spoken informally with him several times. I can't tell you what Lemire's politics are because he has never told me and there is no record anywhere of him talking about or promoting his politics.

Harry Abrams seems to think he knows Lemire's politics, yet he can't come up with anything credible to support the politics he is assigning to Lemire. The best he can do is a lame-assed attempt at guilt by association.

[free_life2]

1. Do you contend that Lemire was never a leader of the Heritage Front?

2. Do you contend that Lemire was never a member of the Heritage Front?

3. Do you believe that Lemire had no relationship with Zundel?

Please note that I wasn't making pronouncements or passing judgements.

Just asked 3 questions.

Connie wrote:

The Heritage Front was a government operation. [i] Marc Lemire was in his late teens and early twenties when it was going.
I don't believe that a twenty year old kid was able to wrest control of this operation from CSIS, It is ridiculous to even make that allegation.

Did he associate with members of Heritage Front when he was young? Probably.

OK, I guess that's a no to question #1 and and yes to question #2.

How about #3?

Ernst Zundel ran one of if not the world's largest Holocaust denial and neo-Nazi publishing & distribution enterprises out of heavily fortified "bunker" on Carleton St. in Toronto from the mid 1980's - 90's. This article, posted on Mr. Lemire's own website:

http://www.freedomsite.org/cpn/cpn_list/006.html

describes Mr. Lemire thusly:

"...In another development, Interlog, a Toronto-based ISP, last week
announced it will terminate the account of Marc Lemire, an employee of
Holocaust-Denier Ernst Zundel, on May 20 (1998)... "


So Connie, once again, do you believe that Lemire had no relationship with Zundel?

Harry, there is nothing at all innocent about your 'questions'. I waned you to back off and you have not. If you have a clear case to make against Marc Lemire, make it., but you will have to do so on another thread. If the best you have is innuendo, (mis)interpretations and twenty year old opinion quotes from an ISP, you are dead in the water. This is not the CHRC where that sort of smarmy smear has any worth.

Wow this is so interesting. Free Dominion is a site dedicated to free speech and until now, entertained other points of view for the purpose of debate.

I just had a posting more or less nuked because I asked three questions probing some beliefs of The Fourniers concerning Mr. Lemire.

It's rather well-known that Mr. Lemire was a "player" in Canada's far-right for a number of years. Its' rather well known that he was a member of and even one time leader of the now defunct HF.

Apparently Connie doesn't believe that he could have been a leader of HF because it was "run by CSIS."

Believe it or not, I accept her comments as true beliefs. Without criticism, even though I personally disagree.

What about Marc Lemire's supposed relationship with Mr. Zundel? The link I quoted led to an article on Mr. Lemire's URL. Nowehere have I ever seen or heard of Mr. Lemire disputing the assumption that he worked for Mr. Zundel.
I believe further confirmation of that fact can be found in the transcripts of the Zundel hearings.

My question remains unanswered. Do Connie and Mark Fournier believe that Lemire worked for Ernst Zundel?

Our questions to you remain unanswered.

When did the Canadian people give you or the CHRC or the state, the authority to tell us what we can say or not say?

What words do you want outlawed in Canada? List those words, Harry?

What crime(s) has Marc Lemire committed?

BTW, FD is considered far right and you play here, Harry.......guess that makes you a villain.

[Jason Kauppinen]

Harry Abrams

I'm just curious, when you hear something negative about a particular person, wouldn't you normally just go to that particular person, and just ask them about what you heard yourself to get their side of the story?

Lemire has a website with an email address right here:

http://www.freedomsite.org/

[Mark Fournier]

Before this is all over several censorship zealots are going to be very well acquainted with the concept of "knew or should have known."

[free_life2]

Before this is all over several censorship zealots are going to be very well acquainted with the concept of "knew or should have known."

And "reckless disregard for the truth."

[Maikeru]

Wow this is so interesting. Free Dominion is a site dedicated to free speech and until now, entertained other points of view for the purpose of debate.

I just had a posting more or less nuked because I asked three questions probing some beliefs of The Fourniers concerning Mr. Lemire.

Weird feeling eh Harry ? You ask three questions and boom ! the boom is lowered.
You are arbitrarily cast out of <a href=http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/18/18_garden.html>the Garden of Finzi-Continis</a> when someone takes umbrage with what you ask another.

Your first reaction - surprise
You next experience feelings of anger, you've had enough of these clowns anyway, there's plenty of other sites to engage.
Perhaps you can get a final word in on another thread, hell you made you point anyway.

Heh.

Recently, a personal feud (and common online event) between EK and JB had begun to detract from otherwise engaging threads, and threatened to erupt on any thread either happened to comment upon.
Measures were introduced to squelch this disruption that have begun to impact negatively elsewhere.

The most disturbing is post removals, a previously rare occurance on FD reserved for exorcising porn and spam.

I was quite surprised that your post was removed. Were it not referenced in other comments I would never have known you had made it, and as it was only referenced by others I have no way of knowing it is an accurate representation of your own comment from whence the replies sprang.

I hope that this practise of deleting posts on FreeDominion, other than obvious porn or spam, ceases immediately.
If posters themselves don't have the option of removing their own posts, nor should others, imho.

Let stupid comments, spelling errors and snide remarks lie until they 'fade into the cyberspace oblivion' that Peter O mentioned recently.
Don't like what or the way someone writes? Hit the ignore button and then ignore that which they write which creeps into other comments.

It's difficult enough arguing the pitfalls of nanny-state mentality in a nanny-state, let alone a nanny-site in a nanny-state.

[free_life2]

I agree with Maikeru while Harry's words may be slanderous and as I believe untrue, they should not deleted.

Harry opinion may be wrong and even at times may be vile as a lot of words of censor zealots are, he should be free to post them.

[Connie Fournier]

One of Harry's posts was deleted? I see the post with his original three questions. What am I missing?

[Maikeru]

We are aware ...
We believe...
Unlike you Harry who continues to try and dismantle our rights and freedoms
It is also understood by us...

There is no need for anyone to second the opinions of others to their own.
Harry can argue equally that he is employing Canadian 'rights' that I personally, and others, consider an appalling intrusion on free society.

FreeDominion members are a prime example of folks who agree to disagree over everything under the sun (and especially global warming)...

[Maikeru]

One of Harry's posts was deleted? I see the post with his original three questions. What am I missing?

This post, purportedly by Harry Abrams, but only referenced in replies:

Please note that I wasn't making pronouncements or passing judgements.

Just asked 3 questions.

Connie wrote:

The Heritage Front was a government operation. [i] Marc Lemire was in his late teens and early twenties when it was going.
I don't believe that a twenty year old kid was able to wrest control of this operation from CSIS, It is ridiculous to even make that allegation.

Did he associate with members of Heritage Front when he was young? Probably.

OK, I guess that's a no to question #1 and and yes to question #2.

How about #3?

Ernst Zundel ran one of if not the world's largest Holocaust denial and neo-Nazi publishing & distribution enterprises out of heavily fortified "bunker" on Carleton St. in Toronto from the mid 1980's - 90's. This article, posted on Mr. Lemire's own website:

http://www.freedomsite.org/cpn/cpn_list/006.html

describes Mr. Lemire thusly:

"...In another development, Interlog, a Toronto-based ISP, last week
announced it will terminate the account of Marc Lemire, an employee of
Holocaust-Denier Ernst Zundel, on May 20 (1998)... "

So Connie, once again, do you believe that Lemire had no relationship with Zundel?

[free_life2]

We are aware ...
We believe...
Unlike you Harry who continues to try and dismantle our rights and freedoms
It is also understood by us...

There is no need for anyone to second the opinions of others to their own.
Harry can argue equally that he is employing Canadian 'rights' that I personally, and others, consider an appalling intrusion on free society.

FreeDominion members are a prime example of folks who agree to disagree over everything under the sun (and especially global warming)...

Which of these two do you disagree with? And now you claim to be talking for the 'others', but I shouldn't?

[BlawBlaw]

But Lemire did write some of the posts examined in the CHRT hearing, and one was found to have violated s.13. He was also the webmaster of freedomsite and the last president of the Heritage Front from 2001 until it closed shop in 2005. It isn't mere guilt by association when you are the president of the association in question!

Even the National Post's Johnathan Kay concluded that Lemire is a bigot.

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/lin ... ?id=397652

This isn't some baseless, leftist smear campaign.

He has won a hard-fought, uphill battle against a corrupt and undemocratic adversary with virtually unlimited resources, regarding an issue many reasonable Canadians (I suspect a majority) would side with him on.

Saying that he is a bigot so he must be wrong is ad hominem. However, saying that expressing bigotry is so wrong that it should be banned with the help of gag orders, fines and awards, isn't. It's an arguable point, although I and most people here disagree with that.

[Connie Fournier]

One of Harry's posts was deleted? I see the post with his original three questions. What am I missing?

This post, purportedly by Harry Abrams, but only referenced in replies:

Please note that I wasn't making pronouncements or passing judgements.

Just asked 3 questions.

Connie wrote:

The Heritage Front was a government operation. [i] Marc Lemire was in his late teens and early twenties when it was going.
I don't believe that a twenty year old kid was able to wrest control of this operation from CSIS, It is ridiculous to even make that allegation.

Did he associate with members of Heritage Front when he was young? Probably.

OK, I guess that's a no to question #1 and and yes to question #2.

How about #3?

Ernst Zundel ran one of if not the world's largest Holocaust denial and neo-Nazi publishing & distribution enterprises out of heavily fortified "bunker" on Carleton St. in Toronto from the mid 1980's - 90's. This article, posted on Mr. Lemire's own website:

http://www.freedomsite.org/cpn/cpn_list/006.html

describes Mr. Lemire thusly:

"...In another development, Interlog, a Toronto-based ISP, last week
announced it will terminate the account of Marc Lemire, an employee of
Holocaust-Denier Ernst Zundel, on May 20 (1998)... "

So Connie, once again, do you believe that Lemire had no relationship with Zundel?

Oh, I replied to that thread. I didn't know it disappeared afterward. I'll check into that.