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Postby hiti » 03/ 16/ 03 7:46 am

WestViking wrote:
hiti wrote:
Ipberg wrote:Yep, ole Hiti and Inky are in the same party now.


That really irks you that I and thousands didn't stick around an swallow the kool-aid with you.


"Stick Around"? You abandoned the PCPC for Day and the Alliance in a snit.


No I didn't. :D I never was a member of any political party before and I really thought that the CA had it together under Stock and always wondered where they (the Manning minions) were during the 2000 election campaign. I now know they were in the back rooms planning their DoRCing.

You CA DoRCs sh*t on conservatives all across Canada and for that you will not be forgiven.

"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?"

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
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Postby hiti » 03/ 16/ 03 8:30 am

End of a difficult political journey
MP's career started - and finished - in obscurity

Don Martin
National Post
Friday, March 14, 2003

OTTAWA - Reform Party member 0002 occupies a seat brushing the rear curtains in the House of Commons. It's a death row of sorts, a line of desks shared by five independent MPs who, orphaned by their parties, await electoral execution.

Ironically, it's the same row where Edmonton MP Deborah Grey established the Reform Party's foothold in 1989. Now the first party member, after founder Preston Manning, will end her career in that obscure position with the dropping of the next writ.

While Grey announced Thursday she would leave politics at the end of this term, truth be told politics left her some time ago.

The clearest signal of her departure was telegraphed two years ago when she bought back into the MP pension plan.

Grey's strong opposition and refusal to join the lucrative scheme served as her defining political act. She released balloons to celebrate her self-sacrifice and ridiculed other MP "porkers" for feeding at the public trough.

When she retroactively bought back 12 years' worth of pension enrolment, to be immediately blasted as the "high priestess of hypocrisy" by scorn-heaping Tory leader Joe Clark, it was clear personal interests had usurped public principle.

It's been downhill ever since. As Alliance deputy leader to Stockwell Day, she claimed to have been ignored. Quitting the caucus post in protest, she became a pariah on her own benches. As the lead dissident who created a doomed coalition with the Conservatives, she was ridiculed. When she crawled back to the Alliance last April, she was humiliated.

These days, Grey rises only periodically in Question Period to show flashes of the no-nonsense temperament her students endured when this former school teacher meted out stern punishment for chewing gum in class.

But the feisty high-profile Canadian Alliance MP, who hurled clip-worthy questions at apprehensive Liberals with a voice that resonated like a load of concrete being mixed, has been missing in action for more than a year.

Given the job of Alliance deputy critic of defence -- a junior position even in times when the military matters -- Grey has been sidelined and wasted.

Still, they say, Deborah Grey is an icon. I'm just not sure what this icon stands for any more.

True, she lived in solitary Commons confinement for four years as the Reform Party's only MP, waiting for an election to prove her party wasn't a political fluke. Now that party doesn't exist.

Her self-righteous stance against pensions and perks have been compromised by her acceptance of both.

She stood for fierce loyalty to leader and party. Then she rejected Stockwell Day as the members' 2000 leadership choice and abandoned her party to craft a fragile nine-month coalition with the Conservatives.


So if Grey's still an icon, it's only to serve as party matriarch to the next generation of MPs, some of whom were in their teens when she was first elected in a Beaver River by-election, and now eclipse her in energy, profile and political currency.

Yet her legacy is assured, even as the early obits are written.

As the first Reform MP, Grey could have embarrassed her fledgling party before it took flight with voters. She didn't.

As the second leader of the party, albeit on an interim basis while Preston Manning was sacrificing his leadership to reinvent Reform as the Canadian Alliance, she kept Prime Minister Jean Chrétien squirming over Shawinigate.

And as the highest-profile dissident, Grey rammed open the door for current leader Stephen Harper to claim the crown after Day's hapless 20-month reign.

That's why it's unfortunate Grey's tour of duty ends with such a whimper.

She has never been entirely back in the caucus good books, never been given meaningful tasks suited to her considerable talent and has never entirely overcome the grudge Harper, her former parliamentary assistant, and his loyalists privately and quietly hold against her.

A year after her crawl back into the Alliance fold, allegedly to carry on her reunification dream with the Tories, there has been no movement in that direction. If anything, the two parties have never been further apart.

When her riding was eliminated by an electoral boundary shift, retirement was an easy sell.

It was a good time to leave. Not exactly on top. But hovering above rock bottom while the decision was still hers to make.

Grey will return to the back row next week to sit out what's left of her political life.

Her claim to fame in giving the Reform Party a federal foothold will quickly fade from public view. But as a footnote of Western populist history, this Grey lady will go down as a size 13 who made a large, lasting imprint.

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Ya... she will forever be remembered. :lol:

"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?"

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
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Postby hiti » 03/ 16/ 03 11:20 am

Her departure is a marker for the Alliance because Ms. Grey was the heart and soul of the party, its sparkplug. And just as the fire has left her belly, so it has left the belly of the Alliance.

The party sits at a dismal 10 per cent in the polls -- behind both the Conservatives and New Democrats. Clearly it needs to revitalize itself, to recapture the momentum and determined sense of purpose it once had.

Just this week, one of its staunchest supporters, Alberta senator-in-waiting Ted Morton, acknowledged the party's future looks bleak.

The Alliance continues to be too ideological for most Canadians, its leader too academic and humourless. The longstanding hope that Reform and then the Alliance could lead the way to doing politics differently has dissipated.

And if its best MPs, such as Deb Grey, begin leaving -- well, it may soon be time to close the shutters and switch off the lights.

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"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?"

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
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Postby WestViking » 03/ 16/ 03 12:42 pm

Alliance loses its spark with Grey's departure

Barbara Yaffe
Vancouver Sun
Friday, March 14, 2003

If Deb Grey were just an ordinary MP, her announcement Thursday that she's quitting politics would be no big deal.

But the MP for Edmonton North has never for a moment been ordinary, and her decision raises questions that go beyond her own future.

It speaks to the passing of a political era that began with the birth of Preston Manning's Reform party. Ms. Grey's exit suggests the enthusiasm has gone out of the original crowd of idealistic Reformers who hit the Commons like a shooting star.

The 50-year-old, motorcycle-riding high school teacher who grew up in Vancouver became Reform's first elected MP in 1989.

She never expected to win and imagined she was simply waving a byelection banner for a new party she had embraced with gusto.

She did win, and carried the Reform spear solo until 1993 when 51 other Reformers joined her in Parliament, some of whom went on to make verbal gaffes that sullied the party's image.

Throughout, Ms. Grey was one of her party's stars and, because of her personality and positive disposition, came to be seen as its den mother. She was also a high-profile woman in a party that had trouble attracting female voters.

Mr. Manning soon appointed her second-in-command and she served as interim leader during Reform's metamorphosis into the Canadian Alliance.

The cheerful MP was up for every task and, despite being relatively new to politics, showed remarkable skill in the Commons. She used her humour to disarm and went straight for the jugular.

Ms. Grey's only brush with real political controversy came as a result of her refusal to join the Liberal-endorsed fat-cat pension plan for MPs. She looked hypocritical when she turned around later and opted in to the plan.

But Deb Grey's political career really started crumbling when Mr. Manning lost the leadership to Stockwell Day in 2000.

She soon determined Mr. Day was not up to the job and became part of a group that bolted the caucus in 2002 and were labelled traitors by their fellow partisans.

The party has never recovered from that schism. Among those who left the party to sit unofficially as the Democratic Representative Caucus, cooperating with Conservatives, were the Alliance's most talented MPs.

When Mr. Day lost the leadership and the renegades agreed to return to the Alliance fold under Stephen Harper, the damage had been done. Some in the Alliance never forgave Ms. Grey and her colleagues.

Making matters worse, Ms. Grey was brutally honest about Mr. Harper, who had once acted as her legislative assistant, candidly listing his shortcomings.

By last year, Ms. Grey had all but disappeared into the parliamentary woodwork, barely getting face time in the question periods she once dominated.

Despite her big smile Thursday, she quite likely believed her prospects under Mr. Harper were limited. And she was doubtless fed up with the stalled efforts of the Alliance and Conservatives to cooperate electorally.

Her plan, she says, was never to be a career politician. She will stay only until the next election (redistribution has eliminated her riding.)


......................the rest of the above story!
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Postby Right » 03/ 16/ 03 12:59 pm

hiti wrote:Her departure is a marker for the Alliance because Ms. Grey was the heart and soul of the party, its sparkplug. And just as the fire has left her belly, so it has left the belly of the Alliance.

The party sits at a dismal 10 per cent in the polls -- behind both the Conservatives and New Democrats. Clearly it needs to revitalize itself, to recapture the momentum and determined sense of purpose it once had.

Just this week, one of its staunchest supporters, Alberta senator-in-waiting Ted Morton, acknowledged the party's future looks bleak.

The Alliance continues to be too ideological for most Canadians, its leader too academic and humourless. The longstanding hope that Reform and then the Alliance could lead the way to doing politics differently has dissipated.

And if its best MPs, such as Deb Grey, begin leaving -- well, it may soon be time to close the shutters and switch off the lights.

byaffe@png.canwest.com

© Copyright 2003 Vancouver Sun



It is clear to me...that both conservative parties will be in trouble if they don't grow some balls (sorry ladies).

We fight for the same backers, they are getting sick of being bothered and want little to do with either party because neither has a "real" chance of forming even a government in waiting.

We fight for members who also equally tire of no or little progress. Even worse the two of us fighting it out for third, fourth and even fifth in the polls.

We will in this next election, barring Divine intervention, hand the Liberals the largest majority government in Canadian history (I know some of you differ on this point but the polls are showing this right now). God help us please, it seems we are unable and/or unwilling to help ourselves.

We NEED to unite in the fight for CANADA and please let us all check our egos aat the door!
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Postby Wlyonmackenzie » 03/ 16/ 03 8:18 pm

Deb sank herself by engaging in 2 cardinal sins for a Reformer. She went for the gold plated pension and she defied the will of the grassroots democracy. Any other accomplishments pale in comparison. I have little to say to her one way or another but I do resent the fact she sits on an indexed pension which has kicked in. She really doesn't have to work again and is more financially secure than her constituents. Great if you can get it, but if you sacrifice your principles and break faith with those who supported your principles, you got it dishonestly. Enjoy retirement Deb. I would move somewhere where you don't have to face the people you sold out on a daily basis. Put that fed pension loot in yer saddlebags and head south with Canada's patronage birds and the Getty cabinate.

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Postby Ipberg » 06/ 17/ 03 12:49 pm

Grey: Not seeking re-election in 2004.
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Postby hiti » 06/ 17/ 03 10:00 pm

Enjoying her time at the pension trough.....

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"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?"

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
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Postby Greg McNeely » 06/ 17/ 03 10:24 pm

WestViking wrote:Alliance loses its spark with Grey's departure

Barbara Yaffe
Vancouver Sun
Friday, March 14, 2003

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But Deb Grey's political career really started crumbling when Mr. Manning lost the leadership to Stockwell Day in 2000.

1) She soon determined Mr. Day was not up to the job and became part of a group that bolted the caucus in 2002 and were labelled traitors by their fellow partisans.

The party has never recovered from that schism. Among those who left the party to sit unofficially as the Democratic Representative Caucus, cooperating with Conservatives, were the Alliance's most talented MPs.



1) Accurate copy reads: When it was clear that Manning was heading towards losing the founding leadership race, she began plotting with her DoRC counterparts in how to try to destroy Mr. Day, even if it would be fata to the young Alliance party.
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