Open letter to FDers

[Connie Fournier]

It is telling enough, I hope, that with a small fix the site Terms of Service the private messaging feature can be restored.

That is the plan. Unfortunately, my daughter has been very ill lately, so FD is not getting my full attention.

I would appreciate all of your prayers for her. She has trigeminal neuralgia, which is one of the most painful conditions known to mankind. She is having an MRI to try to determine what is causing it. Meanwhile, we are dealing with episodes of agonizing, torturous pain that last for hours and leave her too exhausted to do anything but sleep.

We are very worried.

[shiva]

It is telling enough, I hope, that with a small fix the site Terms of Service the private messaging feature can be restored.

That is the plan. Unfortunately, my daughter has been very ill lately, so FD is not getting my full attention.

I would appreciate all of your prayers for her. She has trigeminal neuralgia, which is one of the most painful conditions known to mankind. She is having an MRI to try to determine what is causing it. Meanwhile, we are dealing with episodes of agonizing, torturous pain that last for hours and leave her too exhausted to do anything but sleep.

We are very worried.

So sorry to hear this Connie. There's nothing worse than watching our children experience pain or suffering and feeling helpless to make it go away. Thoughts and prayers are with you all.

[Fabulous Fred]

It is telling enough, I hope, that with a small fix the site Terms of Service the private messaging feature can be restored.

That is the plan. Unfortunately, my daughter has been very ill lately, so FD is not getting my full attention.

I would appreciate all of your prayers for her. She has trigeminal neuralgia, which is one of the most painful conditions known to mankind. She is having an MRI to try to determine what is causing it. Meanwhile, we are dealing with episodes of agonizing, torturous pain that last for hours and leave her too exhausted to do anything but sleep.

We are very worried.

She is being prayed for 24/7 for the next 30 days by a group I know who are very dedicated.

[Connie Fournier]

It is telling enough, I hope, that with a small fix the site Terms of Service the private messaging feature can be restored.

That is the plan. Unfortunately, my daughter has been very ill lately, so FD is not getting my full attention.

I would appreciate all of your prayers for her. She has trigeminal neuralgia, which is one of the most painful conditions known to mankind. She is having an MRI to try to determine what is causing it. Meanwhile, we are dealing with episodes of agonizing, torturous pain that last for hours and leave her too exhausted to do anything but sleep.

We are very worried.

She is being prayed for 24/7 for the next 30 days by a group I know who are very dedicated.

Thank you so much! We really, really need that! I'm overwhelmed.

[free_life2]

It is telling enough, I hope, that with a small fix the site Terms of Service the private messaging feature can be restored.

That is the plan. Unfortunately, my daughter has been very ill lately, so FD is not getting my full attention.

I would appreciate all of your prayers for her. She has trigeminal neuralgia, which is one of the most painful conditions known to mankind. She is having an MRI to try to determine what is causing it. Meanwhile, we are dealing with episodes of agonizing, torturous pain that last for hours and leave her too exhausted to do anything but sleep.

We are very worried.

Yes I will pray and get others too. PM me her first name.

[WestViking]

Please check: <a href=http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=141235>PRAYERS UP FOR CONNIE'S DAUGHTER</a>

[braveheart]

It is telling enough, I hope, that with a small fix the site Terms of Service the private messaging feature can be restored.

That is the plan. Unfortunately, my daughter has been very ill lately, so FD is not getting my full attention.

I would appreciate all of your prayers for her. She has trigeminal neuralgia, which is one of the most painful conditions known to mankind. She is having an MRI to try to determine what is causing it. Meanwhile, we are dealing with episodes of agonizing, torturous pain that last for hours and leave her too exhausted to do anything but sleep.

We are very worried.

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Has she had chicken pox before? I seem to recollect reading that there is a relationship between the two. It is related to shingles. Then again it could be related to wisdow teeth.

[Connie Fournier]

The doctor at the hospital asked us about shingles, but she has had the pain for too long without any rash. She had a full mouth x-ray at the dentist and the pain isn't coming from there, either. Her ear is also clear of infection. We are ruling things out one at a time.

[Edward Kennedy]

The doctor at the hospital asked us about shingles, but she has had the pain for too long without any rash. She had a full mouth x-ray at the dentist and the pain isn't coming from there, either. Her ear is also clear of infection. We are ruling things out one at a time.

I have a client from Toronto whose teen daughter had similar situation and the source of pain could not be found that gave her serious headaches.

I pray your daughter's condition is resolved...physical pain of such nature is intolerable...

[Maestro_T]

Iw ould rather have less rules than more. I already raised four kids...being responsible for disciplining 10,000 adults has little appeal to me!

I am against any form of 'time outs' for infractions of rules. I do not want the administrative nightmare of imposing a 'time out' and then setting a calendar to remove the temporary ban.

Considering our history. I suggest that a 'time out' will elicit as many or more posts telling us why we should not have banned "Hammerhandle" and what a fine specimen he is.

I don't mind a little pain, but not unless I can see measurable gain; I do not think a 'time out' will teach an adult anything. It is obvious that some people can attain chronological adulthood without learning the basic elements of how to successfully interact with other people. Other self-made types work at being a pain in the butt.

The FD software is due for an upgrade and I believe the new software comes with automatic temporary bans. But, we have twelve pages of people debating the temporary ban I gave Yoda and his gang. I totally agree that if we did this routinely, our lives would SUCK! Everyone would be mad at us, and we'd have a lot more people pouting and refusing to come back when they were reinstated.

There have been attempts to move away from that subject, but the reason the debate is continuing is because there was one group that was banned and one that wasn't. What derailed your fundraising thread was the tail end of an argument that had been going on all weekend. While that may be grounds for banning in and of itself (that's your choice), I would not doubt that the group who was banned did not see that incident in isolation but as a continuation of what was happening on other threads, and since there was no banning of the other group, that they alone were paying the price or maybe that they were being accused of being the ones who started it (which may or may not have been the case).

That may be some mind-reading on my part, but I'm trying to see it from their perspective.

The banning had nothing to do with the fight. It meant to stop behaviour that was harming the site. Had RedDog gone through with his threat to bring us into the fight by suing Yoda, he would have been banned, too.

What is so difficult to understand about using a ban to stop people from harming us? Lots of people on this thread are saying that we should use temporary bans routinely as a way of mediating fights. It is obvious that we would be crazy to do that. We have never and will never ban people for fighting with each other, but you can bet your booty we will ban anyone and everyone who engages in behaviour that is threatening to the site or to us, personally. And, I don't care what excuse they have for doing it. We won't put up with it.

I really find it hard to imagine why anyone would think we would have to justify that policy. I don't see many other people sitting out here with their butts on the line.

Sorry to dredge this up again, especially in light of your current personal situation, but I did not get a chance to reply earlier.

I think you missed the point of my previous post. I understand your perspective; I was trying to get you to see theirs.

Furthermore, I've re-read that entire thread. D. Johnson did not even post there (which maybe makes me think he was the one who asked to be banned), and Yoda's posts consisted of issuing a challenge that would have raised more funds if it had been accepted. I have to conclude from that that some other things went on behind the scenes. I would understand if you don't wish to disclose any of it.

[Edward Kennedy]

Iw ould rather have less rules than more. I already raised four kids...being responsible for disciplining 10,000 adults has little appeal to me!

I am against any form of 'time outs' for infractions of rules. I do not want the administrative nightmare of imposing a 'time out' and then setting a calendar to remove the temporary ban.

Considering our history. I suggest that a 'time out' will elicit as many or more posts telling us why we should not have banned "Hammerhandle" and what a fine specimen he is.

I don't mind a little pain, but not unless I can see measurable gain; I do not think a 'time out' will teach an adult anything. It is obvious that some people can attain chronological adulthood without learning the basic elements of how to successfully interact with other people. Other self-made types work at being a pain in the butt.

The FD software is due for an upgrade and I believe the new software comes with automatic temporary bans. But, we have twelve pages of people debating the temporary ban I gave Yoda and his gang. I totally agree that if we did this routinely, our lives would SUCK! Everyone would be mad at us, and we'd have a lot more people pouting and refusing to come back when they were reinstated.

There have been attempts to move away from that subject, but the reason the debate is continuing is because there was one group that was banned and one that wasn't. What derailed your fundraising thread was the tail end of an argument that had been going on all weekend. While that may be grounds for banning in and of itself (that's your choice), I would not doubt that the group who was banned did not see that incident in isolation but as a continuation of what was happening on other threads, and since there was no banning of the other group, that they alone were paying the price or maybe that they were being accused of being the ones who started it (which may or may not have been the case).

That may be some mind-reading on my part, but I'm trying to see it from their perspective.

The banning had nothing to do with the fight. It meant to stop behaviour that was harming the site. Had RedDog gone through with his threat to bring us into the fight by suing Yoda, he would have been banned, too.

What is so difficult to understand about using a ban to stop people from harming us? Lots of people on this thread are saying that we should use temporary bans routinely as a way of mediating fights. It is obvious that we would be crazy to do that. We have never and will never ban people for fighting with each other, but you can bet your booty we will ban anyone and everyone who engages in behaviour that is threatening to the site or to us, personally. And, I don't care what excuse they have for doing it. We won't put up with it.

I really find it hard to imagine why anyone would think we would have to justify that policy. I don't see many other people sitting out here with their butts on the line.

Sorry to dredge this up again, especially in light of your current personal situation, but I did not get a chance to reply earlier.

I think you missed the point of my previous post. I understand your perspective; I was trying to get you to see theirs.

Furthermore, I've re-read that entire thread. D. Johnson did not even post there (which maybe makes me think he was the one who asked to be banned), and Yoda's posts consisted of issuing a challenge that would have raised more funds if it had been accepted. I have to conclude from that that some other things went on behind the scenes. I would understand if you don't wish to disclose any of it.

You are an accomplished detective.

[Fabulous Fred]

Let it go...

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Enough already!!

[WestViking]

Let it go...

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Enough already!!

We agree - Connie has suffecent input now, so this thread is locked.